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October 9, 2008

Counter-argument to “The Illuminati Is Good” Video

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Recently a video called “The Illuminati Is Good” was brought to my attention by a friend. The contention held by this three part youtube video is that, contrary to what most believe in patriot movements, the Illuminati are good and it is the sheeple who are evil. The creator of the video reasons that we are too negligent and careless in looking after our own responsibilities and interests and that, as a consequence, the Illuminati have assumed that task and so gained natural dominion over us.

For clarity’s sake let me first make clear what maker of the video means with the buzzword and blanket term Illuminati:

Definition: The Illuminati are the financial elite of the world who are in control of all major financial institutions including all major banks, particularly and most importantly, the so-called central banks.

The price for our laziness, complacency and most importantly, our supposed reluctance to work for our survival (or to “hunt when hungry” as it is referred to in “The Illuminati is Good”) is perpetual bondage to our slave-masters: the bankers. Therefore we owe it to our own, mind you, unnatural shortcomings that we have been enslaved by the Illuminati. Or so the video likes us to believe.

The purpose of this blog entry is to demonstrate that, although the gentleman who made this thought-provoking presentation raised some interesting points, it is, in my opinion, nonetheless flawed in its premises and as such incorrect in its conclusion. I will try to build a counter-argument to the assertion that, although it may not be justified to always accuse the Illuminati for all the wrongdoings in the world, the inverse assertion is also unwarranted, namely that the greedy sheeple are responsible for all the woes of the world. I hope to make clear that the truth rather is to be found somewhere in the middle.

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First, here is the video:

THE ILLUMINATI IS GOOD 1 of 3

THE ILLUMINATI IS GOOD 2 of 3

THE ILLUMINATI IS GOOD 3 of 3

In the first video, Nemesis (the maker of the video), makes the following statement:

“The Illuminati are GOOD, therefore the Sheeple are EVIL.”

The thing that puzzles me is the inherent mutual exclusivity of this statement, i.e. the maker implies that both cannot be good or evil. It is assumed that if one of them is evil, then the other must be good. With only the most casual reflection on the miserable state the world is in today, I find myself in ready agreement with the unlikelihood of the former (both being good). Contrastingly however, I do hope to be able to demonstrate the likelihood of the latter (both being evil).

Early on in the video, Nemesis states:

The bankers learned that the masses had a DELUSIONAL GREED. They learned that this DELUSIONAL GREED was that the people wanted MONEY without doing ANYTHING FOR IT IN RETURN. They found this behavior to be at odds with the laws of nature. However they were startled to discover that DELUSIONAL GREED drove the masses to their banks in search of EASY RICHES. […] Up until that time there was no such thing as a loan – so if you wanted something you had to LABOR for it. THIS IS THE LAW OF NATURE – IT CANNOT BE BROKEN. Enter the ancient borrower with only one thing on his mind – getting a FREE LUNCH.

Solely on the basis that there are people out there who want to make an easy fortune without breaking a sweat, then yeah I would have to agree with Nemesis. On the other hand, in present times, as far as I know, a prospecting loaner has to demonstrate to a lender that he is also a capable loaner, in the sense that he, at least, must be able to repay his loan.

Indeed, from WiseGeek we read:

Most loan applications are handled by banks or other professional lending institutions. They may use any number of criteria to determine if a potential borrower is eligible for a loan. Past credit history is almost always considered, along with current income and assets. The purpose of the loan may also be a factor–a proven investment opportunity may have more appeal than an unproven idea for a new restaurant. One important consideration is the income to debt ratio of the borrower. Can the borrower afford to pay the loan back with interest? Professional lenders essentially ‘sell’ money, so borrowers must realize how much a loan actually ‘costs’ in terms of real dollars and cents. Source: WiseGeek:What is a loan? (boldfaced emphasis mine)

From Wikipedia we recollect the difference between the secured loan and the unsecured loan. It would seem to me that a widespread availability of unsecured loans is a major causative factor in enslaving loaners and those type of loans, in my opinion, should therefore best be abolished altogether. Paradoxically, the prevalence of unsecured loans show a certain greed on the part of the lenders/bankers too, a selfish trait that Nemesis tries to exclusively pin on the hordes of sheeple blinded by greed and dumbstruck by naivete.

On the other hand, secured loans seem like a viable and reliable possibility for a loaner to be able to temporarily postpone payment. In case the loaner defaults on his/her loan, a collateral may then serve to complete repayment of the loan and thus facilitate a more or less peaceful closure of the loaner-lender relationship. In other words, any resentful states of perpetual bondage of the loaner to the lender can, in principle, be avoided. I do not see anything fundamentally wrong with this picture but I am open to enlightening suggestions to make me reach a higher level of understanding.

Nemesis goes on to state:

From ancient times until today, paper money enters the system in ONLY ONE WAY: The GREEDY sheeple BORROW IT. Like the banks do today, when you ask for a free lunch, it is materialized out of thin air. But it’s not really a lunch, it’s just an illusion of a free lunch. An illusion of riches and wealth all for doing NOTHING to get it. But I have to make this crystal clear. NOBODY FORCED THE SHEEPLE TO GET LOANS. If nobody in ancient times went to the gold smith looking to get INSTANT RICHES, there would be no paper money, no loans, no Illuminati, no paper money scheme.
(boldfaced emphasis mine)

Although it is true that one can hardly speak of prospecting loaners being coerced to go to a bank and loan money, today’s aggressive marketing atmosphere is such that people do experience a rather persistent barrage of enticements and encouragements to go ahead and get a loan. A modest grasp of bank loan advertisements serves to illustrate this contention:
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Also quite strongly represented is the never relenting stream of aggressive credit card advertisements, spurring potential clients to get one yesterday rather than today:

In other words, although the bankers may not force people into debt, they nonetheless try to lure them into debt. Although the former would indeed be more regrettable than the latter, I believe that the latter is not entirely free from blame either, ethically speaking. In fact, as I already indicated, luring ads are a telltale sign of avarice on the part of the bankers. It’s ironic because condemnation of supposed greedy sheeple probably drove Nemesis to make his video and now it turns out that bankers can easily act just as greedily.

Nemesis goes on to state:

The basis of EVERY boom/bust cycle and therefore inflation, has been a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE OF SHEEPLE-GREED. Stocks in the 20’s – the sheeple lined up to get rich by using margin loans. This is basically purchasing stocks using BORROWED money. Stocks in the 80’s – again the sheeple BORROWED money to buy stocks. The “.com” bubble of the 90’s, yet again the sheeple BORROWED money to ‘invest’ in tech companies. The housing bubble of 02-06 – yet AGAIN the sheeple BORROWED money to buy houses (mortgages). In each of these historical instances the masses of sheeple did one thing: BORROW TO GET RICH. This is illogical, foolish, delusional, greed-stricken, pathological, and EVIL.

Although I agree with Nemesis that the principle of borrowing money to get rich is selfish, myopic, illogical and all the rest of it, let’s ask ourselves if bankers are really that much better. To begin with, as the pictures of the ads above show, there is such a thing as a greedy and money lusting banker. So that’s one argument in favor of putting greedy sheeple and greedy bankers in the same despicable category.

And then you have the phenomenon of the central banker. One of the functions of a central bank is to loan out money, created by the bank out of thin air mind you, to the government it is affiliated with. In addition to that loan, the government is expected to pay a certain amount of interest on top of loan repayment. This interest is collected by the government through taxation of its people. So basically here you have a bank that creates money out of thin air, loans it out, and expects to not only be paid back in full but to also get a fair bonus on top of it all, or, in case of usury, a disproportionally large bonus even. If mere citizens would do such a thing it would be considered counterfeiting currency and is a federal felony in the US, but oh no, if a central bank prints or issues out money it is considered righteous and lawful.

Be that as it may, the interest bonus the FED claims, which actually is real citizen labor expressed in monetary form, goes directly to the central banker while he really has not done any labor itself to deserve it. In fact, while doing absolutely nothing the central banks as a rule will obtain a chunk of, in principle, each and every financial transaction going on in the US because it will always add as income to the receiving party and therefore is subjected to the Income Tax as enforced by the IRS.

Therefore, as it turns out, the necessarily parasitic banker gets ‘fatter’ catching ‘birds’ all the time without doing any ‘hunting’ at all. So who’s really getting a free lunch? The sheeple, or the central banker? Consistent with the laws of nature, the borrowing sheeple really cannot do such a thing as it is legally bound by debt to its debtor/lender and will thus have to pay one way or another. On the other hand, the central banker does have the possibility to get free lunches, and gets them all the time, and gets away with it too.

So who’s really evil now? The selfish and myopic sheeple or the sly loan shark, the unscrupulous banker or the untouchable central banker? I think they all should be classified as ‘evil’. At least, neither one of them is purely ‘good’ by any sensible definition of the word. Moreover, the myopic sheeple are only part of the financial problems of today. It is as if the situation is such that the vocal sheeple are pointing the finger to the Illuminati, while in turn the Illuminati are pointing the finger back at the sheeple. To some extent both of them are right but similarly to some extent both are wrong also in that both refuse to assert responsibility for their systemically selfish and immature actions.

As as aside, it dawned on that this notion of the unconscientious banker helping to get what greedy sheeple want and, as such, aid in, or even precipitate, their destruction reminds me of the phenomonenon of, what the late psychotherapist CS Hyatt called, the Toxick Magician, a person who aids another person in getting what that person wants in order to speed up or facilitate self-destruction. But this will be the subject-matter for a follow-up blog.

So to recap, it would seem to me that Nemesis has fallen for some serious Illuminati propaganda rather than the even uglier truth. I thank him though since he made me think and inspired me to produce this blog.

Addendum:

A few days ago, in the hope of starting a fruitful correspondence, I sent a link of this blog to DJHives, the person who on behalf of Nemesis is responsible for “The Illuminati Is Good” video.

Here’s a verbatim account of the exchange:

Hello djhives,

I’d like to bring to your attention a recent article I wrote in response to Nemesis’ “The Illuminati Is Good” video:

http://1phil4everyill.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/counter-argument-to-the-illuminati-is-good-video/

Please feel free to respond,

Kind regards,

Phil

The subsequent response I received was:

a miserable fail….

You fail at your VERY FIRST point…..

“as far as I know a prospecting loaner has to demonstrate to a lender that he is also a capable loaner, in the sense that he, at least, must be able to repay his loan.”

that’s not the point it has nothing to do with REPAYMENT which would be LATER IN TIME

it has to do with the greedy sheep walking in BROKE and coming out with INSTANT MONEY…

the premise is not a humble sheep looking for some money.. but rather his mind is greedy!
what does a sheep do when he gets a loan whats going through his mind: its “i know Ill get a loan for 100K, then buy a rental property, then MAKE A PROFIT on the rent money. ALL BY DOING NOTHING…

this is the GREED AND DELUSION of the masses its called BORROWING TO GET RICH… the sheep also call this “investing” it doesnt have to be housing, it can be stocks, comic books or tulips ….

you FAIL in your counter argument because you don’t grasp the basic concept of the argument NEMESIS made.

I then replied:

I think I do understand Nemesis, it’s just that I don’t agree in full with him. On the other hand, however, I do not disagree in full with him either.

Regarding the example you brought up. I do not think there’s anything fundamentally wrong with this type of loan provided the loaner is able to meet the requirements and terms of the loan set forth by the lender and signed into effect by the loaner. And regarding getting rich by doing nothing (a principle I regret as much as you do, don’t get me wrong), I do not think that that is entirely true regarding the example you brought up. For example, the loaner, in all likelihood, must be tied up with all kinds of activity in order to get the rental property off the ground. There’s maintenance and/or preparations, services, advertisements, all kinds of paperwork including bookkeeping, to be resolved tenant complaints, etc…. In other words, there’s enough work to be done to refute the ‘doing nothing part’ claim…

But now that I have your attention, I’d like to bring up the concept of the central banker. You know the kind of banker that prints and/or issues money out of thin air, issues it to the treasury in return for bonds, and demands rather than expects to be paid a good chunky interest fee (usury) on every monetary transaction going on the US; done through the Income Tax and all too ferociously enforced by the IRS. The central banker gets fat by doing what exactly? Printing money out of thin air and then leeching the US economy simply by sinking its fangs into the necks of countless hardworking and law abiding Americans, including yourself probably. Tell me how this act of parasitism is not greedy?

Quite coincidentally an most interesting and relevant article was passed on to me today. An excerpt that, in my opinion, does a pretty good job in summing up the financial mess the US is in today:


[…]imagine two households. One household balances its budget, spends only what it brings home in income and has no debt. The other household spends twice as much as it earns. It owes $50,000 on credit cards and borrows money from loan sharks to meet the minimum payments on its credit cards.

Which household is “radical?”

Now consider this: The second household sneaks into the first household and steals money to pay its own debts. On top of that, it has a counterfeit cash printing machine in the basement, and it’s cranking out thousands of dollars a week just to attempt to pay off its credit cards. It’s immune to the law because it buys off the local police for criminal immunity.

Which household is headed towards financial disaster? Which household has a real future, and which one doesn’t?

That second house, of course, is the United States government. My reporting on the U.S. financial situation is downright tame compared to what’s really going on behind the scenes. I can’t get radical enough to accurately describe the degree of deception and outright theft that’s taking place in Washington right now.

History will show that not only were my warnings accurate, they were understated by a wide margin. Reporting the truth is a delicate thing. People can only stomach so much truth at any one time. Few people can handle the whole truth, which is why I usually refrain from reporting it. There are things stated in this article that only hint at much bigger stories that will someday be told by others.

Only the most open-minded, skeptical thinkers can even mentally consider the real truth of what’s happening in our world today. Most people have been brainwashed into living in a fictional world, and they are unable to even consider truths that threaten their grip on reality.

As a result, the public has to be led by the hand from one realization to the next, little by little, until they attain the ability to see the world as it really is rather than the illusion that has been constructed for them by the very people running this financial scam.

Excerpt from this article:

http://www.naturalnews.com/024427.html

Respectfully,

Phil

To which he replied:

you just don’t get it do you…

There is no “work” a borrower does when he borrows.. in your example: “There’s maintenance and/or preparations, services, advertisements, all kinds of paperwork including bookkeeping, to be resolved tenant complaints, etc…. In other words, there’s enough work to be done to refute the ‘doing nothing part’ claim…”

thats BS. The person BORROWS money to get the property then uses that borrowed money to BUY his help, in this case a property manager that does all the above mentioned for him…

look we cant go forward with this conversation because you lack the capacity to grasp this simple concept. Every borrower…. EVERY borrower aims at ONE THING: borrow money (free money) in hopes of USING that free money to get MORE FREE MONEY — this is text book GREED as well as being delusional… thus the borrower ALWAYS gets fucked.

#2: you said “I’d like to bring up the concept of the central banker. You know the kind of banker that prints and/or issues money out of thin air, issues it to the treasury in return for bonds, and demands rather than expects to be paid a good chunky interest fee (usury) on every monetary transaction going on the US; done through the Income Tax and all too ferociously enforced by the IRS. The central banker gets fat by doing what exactly? Printing money out of thin air and then leeching the US economy simply by sinking its fangs into the necks of countless hardworking and law abiding Americans, including yourself probably. Tell me how this act of parasitism is not greedy?

Are you a FOOL? because you are acting like one. How is money created? you seem to THINK that the government just prints it and dumps it on the public. What VERY IMPORTANT FACTOR are you IGNORING???

The masses of sheep DEMAND TO BORROW MONEY THUS BRINGING IT INTO EXISTENCE!!!!!!!!!

The government cant pront all the money it wants, but it cant FORCE it on the people!! GET IT??!!! The government never sends anyone cash in the mail. They simply say to the people that they are GIVING OUT CASH AT THE BANKS…. then she sheep.. in a greedy stupor… WILLFULLY walk into the bank to get their hand on AS MUCH FREE EASY MONEY AS POSSIBLE!!

that’s how money is born… thats what Jones, Ike, Maxwell, and Zeitgeist DON’T tell you!

Look Ill be nice with you — you simply dont have the intellect to understand what I or NEMESIS is saying…

do yourself a favor and THINK for a change.. dont babble the same old sorry ‘blame the banks’ BS that you watched on youtube… think for yourself…

PS — BLOCKED AND BANNED!!

Well, I don’t know about you DJHives but I do have a rather different idea about being nice. At least, I do not go around saying “I’ll be nice with you” one sentence and then proceed to ban and block the next sentence. I guess I’m just not schizophrenic enough to do so.

Anyway, let’s get down to the nitty gritty again. DJHives says:

Every borrower…. EVERY borrower aims at ONE THING: borrow money (free money) in hopes of USING that free money to get MORE FREE MONEY — this is text book GREED as well as being delusional… thus the borrower ALWAYS gets fucked.

I wonder though if the banker is so much different. A banker generally stores and issues money from other people. Picture a bank. Now, that bank borrows out money at a relatively high interest rate and it issues money at a relatively low interest for money deposited. From the interest difference the bank increases its capital. In other words, the banker get “fatter” as time progresses. Does he do any actual work to see his belly grow? Does he do the actual “hunting” in order to get the “bird”? Please point it out to me because frankly I don’t see it. In fact, the banker, as manager of other people’s money, gets richer precisely through the same mechanism Nemesis is trying to condemn and pin exclusively on greedy sheeple.

Therefore the banker, especially the money counterfeiting central banker, seems to have an identical mindset as the lazy greedy sheeple looking for an easy buck. I maintain that there is no fundamental difference between the two, both prove to act parasitic and are blinded by greed.

Recommended Watch (just came out a few days ago):

Zeitgeist: Addendum

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27 Comments »

  1. […] Counter-argument to The Illuminati Is Good Video This is my response to a video called “The Illuminati is Good”, which blames greedy sheeple for all the world’s problems and the cause of the rise of the Illuminati and its dominion over the world. Here’s the video in three youtube parts: The response can be read here: Counter-argument to The Illuminati Is Good Video One Phil-for-every-ill Blog […]

    Pingback by Counter-argument to The Illuminati Is Good Video - Club Conspiracy Forums — October 23, 2008 @ 6:04 pm | Reply

  2. I’m sorry to say this Phil but you are completely lost. Nemesis has a really good point and I really realized something important because of his video that you seem to not just see. I have been into this illuminati stuff for many years and so have many so you don’t have to explain how banks work to us. We are not morons, ok?

    To use title like “illuminati is good” is just to get you to think. It is human disfunction to blame envirement rather than themself. “Life would be good if there would be no illuminati. I would get all things done if I would not be so depressed because of illuminati” etc. That is BULLSHIT! No-one can control you If you wont let yourself to be controlled. I ask you one question: which is easier to change illuminati so they then change sheep into thinking human OR to sheep turn into thinking human and they then change illuminati?

    Don’t be a victim! Thats the point nemesis is trying to make and it is really painfull to watch by how you are such a mister know it all when YOU REALLY JUST DONT GET IT!

    And if you start defending yourself by thinking I am somehow assosiated with nemesis i can tell you that I have never heard of him before. Actually I fould his video because of you posted it on oppising digits so thank you for that! And most of all thank You Nemesis because I think I see things bit more clearly after your video.

    And for you annoing mr knowitallparrot Phil. BREATH. It is ok to be wrong. The true wisdom comes for moments when you realize you have been wrong. I know yourkind. Couple of conspiracy videos and you know better than anyone else. But It shall pass overtime and you start to realize that you are not so alone than you think and that there are much more deeper illusions to break than maistream media. I can help you that much that the feeling you have right now when reading this text is a huge part of that illusion. Focus on that feeling and try to feel why its there. Do what you feel and feel what you do.

    Comment by LäskiJore — November 15, 2008 @ 5:09 am | Reply

    • wassup djhives, id love to email to req a spot on your blog, but your email address is nowhere to be found.

      wtf

      Comment by moeSizlak — June 30, 2009 @ 4:35 am | Reply

  3. I don’t know why this gets me so mad but i have to continue little bit.

    To MAKE THINKGS REAL SIMPLE

    WHAT IF….
    WE AS PEOPLE…
    WOULD….

    GROW, HUNT, COLLECT FOOD WHEN HUNGRY?
    BUILD HOUSE WHEN NEED OF SHELTER?
    DIG WELL WHEN THIRSTY?

    INSTEAD OF GETTING A LOAN TO BUY THESE SAME THINGS?

    WHAT WOULD ILLUMINATI DO?
    HOW COULD THEY CONTROL US?

    ARE THEY POWERFULL OR ARE WE JUST WEAK AND CAN’T DO ANYTHING BY OURSELF?

    GET IT NOW?

    OH FUCK I READ YOUR TEXT AGAIN AND YOU SOUND SO GODDAM ANNOING

    “Well, I don’t know about you DJHives but I do have a rather different idea about being nice. At least, I do not go around saying “I’ll be nice with you” one sentence and then proceed to ban and block the next sentence. I guess I’m just not schizophrenic enough to do so.

    Anyway, let’s get down to the nitty gritty again. DJHives says:”

    GROWBALLS MORON!

    Comment by LäskiJore — November 15, 2008 @ 5:30 am | Reply

  4. That’s funny, if you would’ve said you were DJHives I would’ve believed it right away since you’re almost just as obnoxiously dismissive and your manners are almost just as DIRT POOR as his. You’re glad I let your comments pass. Consider it to be a warning to be polite in any possible future responses, Mr BigBalls. It doesn’t do anybody any good, especially regarding the furthering of understanding, if this ends up in a shouting match…

    Now, back to class. While I agree that irresponsible sheeple are a major part of the financial trouble we are in today, I do not see why it is limited to that specific demographic. Bankers and other credit extenders seem to be just as reckless as do the sheeple hordes. They all have in common to be blinded by GREED. In my opinion, any truly effective financial reform would amount to not only educate the sheeple on the dangers and irresponsibility of borrowing money, but it would also have to put a hold to greedy bankers blinded by dollar signs. The two groups are acting synergistically in having given rise to the financial turmoil we witness today. In other words, both of these groups help perpetuate the other. So if the greedy sheeple are eliminated or reformed then we are still stuck with greedy bankers itching to sink their fangs into a new victim, i.e. new naive but greedy sheeple. Ergo, they both need to get their act together in order to have a chance at arriving at a fairer and stable society. Education is key here, the sheeple need to be forewarned of the dangers of borrowing money and/or getting credit cards and thus be able to ward off the many temptations greedy credit extenders throw in front of their feet.

    In addition, not everyone borrows money in order to buy things. This is something that Nemesis overlooks, he seems to assume that everyone uses credit instead of money to buy stuff. This is an entirely biased and unfounded assumption since it is simply not true that everyone borrows. However, the entire world, including those who take no credit whatsoever, are about to be subjected to the tyrannical whim of our supposed ‘betters’. This is wrong too. The sheeple may be sick by greed, but that sickness royally spills over to their masters too.

    Comment by Phil — November 15, 2008 @ 1:53 pm | Reply

  5. Ok, I TRY to be polite as I can. I don’t have much time so I answer shortly only to most important points.

    I agree that of course there is also greed in bankers and i think in the end nemesis thinks this too. You are too stressed about the title. I think it is only to get the point across and not to be taken that literally. Basicly all i am saying is that this webpage is useless because your blame doesn’t hit the target. Its not a “Counter-argument” or atleast it is a really bad one because you disagree by agreeing. English is my second language so it is really hard to explain well but I hope you understand.

    First of all. Money is created from debt. You should know this if you have watched zeitgeist addendum yourself. So someone has borrowed sometime money that you are using. Not everyone borrows thats of course true but I think nemesis very well knows that. He is talking about sheeples not all of the worlds population.

    I have to quit but I really don’t know how to explain this whole problem that we have. We all have same opinion. You just take the video too literally and miss the big picture.

    Ok, I think i have been polite so i can ask you to be little less arrogant. To write things like “Now, back to class.” makes you sound like a dickhead.

    Bankers are greedmuthafuckers we all know that. But the question is _what are you going to do about it?_

    Comment by LäskiJore — November 20, 2008 @ 2:11 am | Reply

  6. With all due respect, it’s kinda ironic that you say I sound like a dickhead after both djhives and you called me a moron. In all fairness, if you want to see a dickhead in action, and an arrogant one at that, then watch again those videos. Anyway, I don’t want to whip up a shit storm when you demonstrate you can be courteous so I suggest to just let it be.

    I’m glad you acknowledge that the bankers can be as greedy as, or possibly even greedier than, the ignorant sheeple out there. I have to disagree though that this webpage misses the target. You cannot blame me for favoring accuracy as opposed to paint reality with a broad brush. Nemesis blames the sheeple for the world’s woes. He doesn’t mention anything about the bankers who fatten themselves at the expense of everybody else. That’s my problem with his videos right there and that’s why criticize his choice of focus for who is to blame for all this mess. Maybe the buzzword “counter-argument” is a bit off beat and should be replaced by “complimentary argument” or some such term.

    This week a friend from Italy forwarded me an excellent article that explains the evil of the dollar with excellent simplifying metaphors. Although I don’t support its conclusion I think people who seek a better understanding of basic finance would be well off reading it:

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JK21Dj05.html

    Comment by Phil — November 24, 2008 @ 10:53 pm | Reply

  7. I read your atimes link and it was semi-good. Personally I think this text is better but judge yourself.

    http://www.michaeljournal.org/myth.htm

    Comment by LäskiJore — November 25, 2008 @ 6:28 pm | Reply

  8. I think one false assumption that makes the whole analysis of this issue flawed is that there is absolute evil and absolute good; there isn’t. I often see that people simplify the concepts of rich and poor by creating these eccentric caricatures out of there imagination as if people are born with a soul that is pure evil or pure good. It is always a wrinkled old man sitting in his big leather chair plotting out acts of genocide in his head versus a diligent exploited common man waving his fists up towards the sky fighting for justice. People are not that polar. I would argue that we are all very similar. We are all born with the generally the same physiology and we all desire to feel good. We are pleasure seeking animals regardless of class. Nobody desires to feel bad. Another thing I would like to point out is that hierarchy is part of nature just like gravity is part of nature. Hierarchy is a property that emerges from the element of choice. We can choose to improve, so naturally if someone else chooses not to improve, there is hierarchy, because there is one intelligence better than another. The People at the top of the hierarchy are human beings just like anyone else. They are not anymore free than anyone else. If they where free they would just be having supermodel orgies and partying like a guy in a trailor park that just won the lottery. They have massive amounts of responsibility. If they chose to take a break then the world might just fall apart. Imagine all the people without all of their welfare. Imagine all of the people just standing around not knowing what to do. People have power only because they are given power by a clueless majority. Ask yourself this question: Is it easier to use a hammer to build a house, or is it easier to design and organize the energy to build a house? The “elite” (keep in mind that nature has more control than any human being ever will)are doing their job with the intention of moving society forward. Think about how much work has to be done to even print, distribute, and keep record of money without society breaking down into pure chaos. The intention is to provide a means for trade to be easy so that we can all live in a perfect society.
    So, basically my point is that it is not a particular class that is at fault for the suffering in this world, it is just the sum of all selfishness that is at fault. We are all selfish. We are selfish when we despize and take advantage of the massively ignorant, stupid majority, and we are selfish when we lack the capacity to contribute due to our massive ignorance and stupidity. I believe in personal responsibility. If someone wants something They will get it regardless of any obstacles or constraints. John Lennon put it best when he sang “imagine all the people livin life just to live”; that is the ultimate goal.

    Comment by spencer — May 12, 2009 @ 10:28 am | Reply

    • I think one false assumption that makes the whole analysis of this issue flawed is that there is absolute evil and absolute good; there isn’t.

      This is irrelevant criticism IMO. The basic question that lies at the heart of my article, is what group of people is to blame for the woes of the world in general, and who are to be held responsible for the current economic crisis in particular. It is presumed by myself and DJ Hives that the responsible group are “evil” and, by exclusion, the remainder are simply labeled “good” for lack of a better term. In my opinion a perfectly acceptable and appropriate classification criterion based on observable behavior. No need to question the existence of absolute evil or absolute good or to imagine their derived caricatures.

      We are all born with the generally the same physiology and we all desire to feel good. We are pleasure seeking animals regardless of class. Nobody desires to feel bad.

      If we would be mere animals then the discussion of good and evil becomes meaningless, since there is no such thing as good or evil in nature, which is the realm of the animal, as survival is the only thing that counts.

      However, if we are willing to accept that humans are a bit more than mere pleasure-seeking intellectual animals, let’s say spiritual beings (the name human is derived from hum-manas meaning spirit-mind) then our purpose of being transcends the base animalistic or hedonistic level. Unlike the mechanical animalistic being who merely struggles to survive and which can afford to cruelly disregard the desire for survival of other beings, the spiritual or conscientious being has the opportunity to distinguish between actions that are beneficial or detrimental to its fellow beings or habitat. If it’s a responsible and caring being it will prefer the beneficial or “good” option. If it’s irresponsible and selfish it may prefer the detrimental or “evil” option. The latter is what defines a animal, which is driven predominantly by instinct rather than conscience, the former should be the other way around: guided by conscience rather than instinct.

      It’s a sad fact of life that too many people still pretend to be animals (greedy, ruthless, selfish etc.), when they should know better.

      We can choose to improve, so naturally if someone else chooses not to improve, there is hierarchy, because there is one intelligence better than another. The People at the top of the hierarchy are human beings just like anyone else.

      You have a peculiar interpretation of the verb ‘improve’. Does one ‘improve’ by being more greedy, ruthless and careless than other more conscientious peers?

      The people on top of the financial realm are not like all other people. They are greedy little money-grubbers who couldn’t care less about most of us. Their animalistic tendencies, greed and ruthlessless, is what got them to the top. A human conscience is what would’ve only gotten in their way.

      The “elite” (keep in mind that nature has more control than any human being ever will)are doing their job with the intention of moving society forward. Think about how much work has to be done to even print, distribute, and keep record of money without society breaking down into pure chaos. The intention is to provide a means for trade to be easy so that we can all live in a perfect society.

      Being the greedy animals that they are they want to shape society such that it fits their own selfish needs, which is ultimately a global police state. Would you call that a perfect society?

      Comment by Phil — May 12, 2009 @ 1:43 pm | Reply

      • My whole point was that nature is ultimately in control. People tend to forget that we are part of nature. We are always talked about as if we are something separate. When there is no hierarchy there is chaos. Hierarchy is the medium through which energy flows. This is not my opinion this is science. The first law of thermodynamics states that energy can not be created or destroyed. plants grow by the energy from the sun. Animals absorb the energy from the plants. humans absorb the energy from plants and animals and then use that energy to live and labor. The energy of the labor is then absorbed by a social technology we call money. The second law of thermodynamics states that all energy moves towards a state of chaos naturally. a good example of this is when you don’t clean your kitchen for two weeks. The whole place turns chaotic and disgusting; a place where only the lowest forms of life (bacteria) want to live. The same law applies to populations as does to molecules and atoms. So in order for societies to exist without rape, murder, and canabalism there must be a force(top of hierarchy) working against chaos(bottom of hierarchy). I believe that this is where the concept of good and evil comes from. History has been nothing but a conflict between order and chaos, good and evil, God and Satan, pleasure and pain. Where do you think religion came from? It is just a social order. Religion itself preaches nothing but hierarchy and elitism. We are supposed live to a certain orderly standard so that we can be closer to god(order) and not go to hell(poverty,chaos). A police state is order. Have you ever noticed that there is a pattern to the rise and fall of great societies? They always end up in a welfare/ police state and then there is a revolution. It is horrible to say but it is the truth. Communism would be the most perfect system if people were not selfish, but that is just a fantasy. A free market system (where “evil” elite rule at the top)is the only system that truly gives people a chance to improve themselves. since the beginning of humanity we have improved a lot, including the elite. The elite use to be much more brutal. I would say that we are doing nothing but improving. The most poverty stricken people in America have electricity, running water, refrigerators, and the opportunity to go to college. These things don’t just sprout from the ground they are all provided by a group of people that work hard. I am not saying that the majority is evil either. I am just saying that nobody is evil and nobody is good. We are just a part of nature. both of yall are right and wrong at the same time I guess.

        Comment by spencer — May 13, 2009 @ 1:05 pm

      • My whole point was that nature is ultimately in control. People tend to forget that we are part of nature. We are always talked about as if we are something separate.

        That remains to be seen. From my angle it seems that you assert the “nature is in control” slogan with absolute certainty. If you believe that nature is all there is and conveniently ignoring any meta-physical factor then yeah I suppose I could agree with you. I believe however, that human beings are composed of two conflicting beings. One is the natural, represented by the ego or the natural or animalistic mind. The other is the spiritual, represented by the spirit mind. The natural mind likes to think we are all separate selfish beings who (violently) compete for resources with one and other and other beings. The spirit mind, however, can be regarded as the emissary from God and recognizes that we are all connected via God with one and other. The animal mind is greedy and likes to take, the spirit mind likes to share, give and nourish. The emotional currency of the animalistic mind is fear (and all its derivatives such as anger, jealousy etc), while pure love (and all its derivatives patience, understanding, forgiveness etc.) is what fuels the spirit mind.

        In this materialistic and selfish world, sadly, the natural mind (ego) dominates over the spirit mind (hum-manas/human) but that does not mean that nature ultimately is in control.

        So in order for societies to exist without rape, murder, and canabalism there must be a force(top of hierarchy) working against chaos(bottom of hierarchy).

        Agreed. There has to be some kind of order. But what if the hierarchy is corrupt itself? As you may know, the economic crisis was brought forth by deregulation of the mortgage market and other credit markets. So basically “order” was substituted by “chaos”. Consequently the world plunged into a severe financial crisis. Many lost and continue to lose their jobs, governments falter, people panic. Who is to blame? The unwitting crowd of eager mortgage lenders, credit takers, or the hierarchy that consciously deregulated the whole kitten caboodle?

        Where do you think religion came from? It is just a social order. Religion itself preaches nothing but hierarchy and elitism.

        Religion derives from the Latin verb ‘religare’ or to bind (together with God). The original function of religion is for people to be able to find a way to bind to God again – our rightful place and ultimate destiny. Unfortunately however, the original function of religion corrupted and now serves as a means of crowd control more than anything. Marx wasn’t lying when he said that ‘religion is the opiate for the masses.’

        A free market system (where “evil” elite rule at the top)is the only system that truly gives people a chance to improve themselves.

        Free markets will lead to labor moving to areas on the planet where it is most cheap while the work-ethic is most high: Asian countries. There you will find that labor and slavery are virtually interchangeable concepts. In the mean time, the richer areas see more unemployment and will become more desolate as unemployed people look elsewhere for jobs. Free markets will effectively lead to more slavery as well as fiercely competitive job markets. The rich will get richer and shrink in numbers while the poor get poorer and gain in numbers; the middle class will be fed to the sharks (almost literally). Is that what you would call improvement?

        since the beginning of humanity we have improved a lot, including the elite. The elite use to be much more brutal. I would say that we are doing nothing but improving.

        I beg to differ. Since they have all kinds of information media to deal with, I would argue that they know how to hide their brutality better nowadays. They still seem to be an exploitative, brutal and psychopathic bunch to me.

        I am just saying that nobody is evil and nobody is good.

        You are forcing me to be graphic, so pardon me. What if some selfish bastard decides to rape someone close to you? Would you still be willing to rationalize his actions and refuse to say that the rapist was either good or evil?

        Likewise, let’s take the act of rape is bit more abstract. What if our dear financial hierarchy decided to deregulate their markets so as to be able to ultimately and purposely financially enslave (the “rape” part) its peoples? Would that sound as an “improvement” to you? Or does it perhaps sound a tad bit “evil” instead?

        Comment by Phil — May 14, 2009 @ 12:29 pm

      • This is a self edit to an earlier comment I left. Apologies for my untidyness

        Aside from those who progress to think outside the box, those that are still inside, are not aware they are there by choice as they give all their power of individuality away in exchange to be part of the Sheeple Campaign for an easy life?

        Here is my thoughts on the the argument that some say we require a police state- the arguments raised for a need of governing the savage people by force and making decisions for us without our consent i.e herding us into FEMA camps and treating us all like terrorists at airports…this movement to a police state has been architecturally designed. By those at the source of manipulating the social conditions. The social architecture of poor education, poverty and increased rise in mental illness creates wonderful conditions for increased violent crime as does promotion of sex and violence in film and television, the addiction and sensationalisation of it in news media and through violent computer games aimed at children. Here in Guatemala, I see boys as young as 7 years old, playing shoot to kill, violent computer games in the internet cafes. This is a form of programming to desensitize children as they grow up to not be able to separate reality from non reality and for an adrenalin addiction to violence and a dulling of the creative brain, and programming to simply be a robot and push buttons without any other emotion. Increasing violent crime is a product of modern society but it has increased tenfold more worryingly with teenagers in cities around the world… it is a product of this well constructed architecture. The ambience has been calibrated to a required conditioning for crime to multiply in society to make us beleive we are basically savage beasts, fragmenting society to rely more and more on authority rather than local community resources to channel constructive opportunties for those that become involved in violent crimes, governments have stopped funding community projects that decrease violent youth crime. Great evironment and excuse for promotion of the police state and the ill- uminati to stay in place.

        This is one example of the think tanks behind our current social situation

        check out this website/ http://www.arcturus.org/arcturus3/?q=node/2

        This website is linked to the Earth 1 Battalion and states that the purpose of social architecture is to make known the tools and practices for the conscious construction of a planetary civilization.

        To me it rings a million bells in my bell tower. Its a Corp ill/uminati website with ThinkTanks behind it all dressed up as new world change, order, communications and reform… blatent mind manipulation out in the open and training for leaders to become technolgically armed with sound, images and mass control conscious construction of a planetary civilization. More of the same…

        They use these words below *no quatation marks on my guatemalan keyboard…-

        Sounds like new-speak to me, to create new languages and to destroy all old ones and indigenous cultures and ancient knowledge will also be destroyed and are presently being destroyed and dispatched forever unaccessible to those of us whom want to transcend the illusion that we are unable to evolve without authority, outside the old pattern of societies, to discourage us to pursue that which was left for us to be discovered by ancient civilizations such as the Sumarians and to be able to access powerful sustainable energy sources here on earth.

        Comment by ChiGirl — May 24, 2009 @ 8:48 am

  9. good books to check out: The Origin Of Wealth by Eric D. Beinhocker
    Godel, Escher, Bach by Douglas R. Hoftadter

    Comment by spencer — May 13, 2009 @ 1:09 pm | Reply

  10. one thought in the arguments raised for a need of governing the savage people by force…this has been designed. By those at the source of manipulating the social conditions. The social architecture of poor education, poverty and increased rise in mental illness creates wonderful conditions for increased violent crime as does promotion of sex and violence in film and television, the addiction and sensationalisation of it in news media and through violent computer games aimed at children. Here in Guatemala, I see boys as young as 7 years old, playing shoot to kill, violent computer games in the internet cafes. This is a form of programming to desensitize children as they grow up to not be able to separate reality from non reality and for an adrenalin addiction to violence and a dulling of the creative brain, and programming to simply be a robot and push buttons without any other emotion. Increasing violent crime is a product of modern society but it has increased tenfold more worryingly with teenagers in cities around the world… it is a product of this well constructed architecture. The ambience has been calibrated to a required conditioning for crime to multiply in society to make us beleive we are basically savage beasts, fragmenting society to rely more and more on authority rather than local community resources to channel constructive opportunties for those that become involved in violent crimes, governments have stopped funding community projects that decrease violent youth crime. Great evironment and excuse for promotion of the police state and the ill- uminati to stay in place.

    Comment by ChiGirl — May 24, 2009 @ 6:31 am | Reply

  11. I’m only 16 but study DJHIVES for he is a God to me. He has given me honorable status and I get to post my deep wisdom on his site.

    Comment by TitanSurge — October 27, 2009 @ 8:20 pm | Reply

    • That’s the problem right there young feller, the perception of DJHives as a god. But unlike God Almighty, your god does not handle criticism very well and that makes him more of a usurping tyrant than a deserving god. And as is characteristic of tyranny, the dominion of a tyrant is based on fear and rhetoric rather than compassion and intellectual dialogue. Can you honestly say you dare to disagree with your god? Or do you think that indeed DJHives is a god and so is infallible and therefore the point of disagreement with a him is moot to begin with?

      He may not be aware of this, and neither do you, but what you are part of of is blind hero worship. You guys flock around your god like groupies to a rock star, boot-stomping anyone who disagrees with your party line. You regard him as if he is the messiah reincarnated, totally infallible and always right. Am I correct in this observation? As a consequence, a following of sheep is created because no-one in your cult dares to disagree with your esteemed lord and savior. Again, am I correct in this observation?

      And so you now have become part of the very thing DJHives openly detests: a flock of sheeple too afraid to reason outside a prefab mental dogma as delineated by your leader. Do you feel the irony my friend? Tell me, how often do people in your circle dare to disagree with your leader? You should know that dissent is a virtue, and when it is stifled, tyranny is all that remains and intellectual progress, as a group effort, grinds to a halt. Your leader should know this perfectly well… and so should you, but you’re still a little young so I’ll cut you some slack.

      Sends my regards to your most worshipful god…
      (If he’s not totally fragile he can handle my comment and take it like a man.)

      Comment by Phil — October 27, 2009 @ 8:54 pm | Reply

  12. Sorry to jump in a little late. I just wanted to add a comment to DJHives!
    To begin, I would like to say that craving an effortless meal is not only a vice of humans but in fact every single other species on this planet. It is in our animal nature to search for the easiest source of nutrition available since by doing so we burn less calories and thus have a greater chance of growing and surviving(biology). Nevertheless, I must say that I don’t agree either with people still behaving that way, for, being greedy and apathetic can no longer be linked to our survival in a civilized society where access to food is instant and quite conveniently available. So, why do we continue to behave like that?
    Well, it seems that we are not morally mature enough so as to have a thorough understanding of our needs and the consequences of our actions on society. And that could be it, a frustrating truth we’ll have to live with. But that just seems too simple and pessimistic. Besides, after thousands of years of evolution, the most intelligent being yet to come across this planet can’t figure out that rivaling its own kind will only lead to extinction!?!
    Well, here is were the “Good Illuminati” come into play. You see, we humans are social animals. We tend to mimic the others of our kind as a way of adapting to our environment, and consequently, surviving(psychology). Just like the story of tarzan, although human he acted like a gorrila since that was all he knew. Once you realize that, it is easy to understand the strategy behind Hollywood the media and prejudice in older times. All the bankers need to do is use those as a way of creating a ‘social behavioral model’ to manipulate our actions in any direction they deem beneficiary. So our immoral habits are created, or amplified if you wish, by those who happen to be in a possition to do so.
    So next time you see someone going to the bank for a loan to buy a big house and new car, or even to invest, instead of being shallow, try to think of what led him there or more appropriately what lured him there.
    There is great potential to the human race and if we were correctly guided or at least not demoralized I believe we would have dealt with most of our problems and evolved to a greater spiritual level.
    As for good and evil, that is relative to each person’s perception, and depends on how he manifests truth, and more accurately, how self-based it is. To me, what we basically are is confused. Unable to think beyond our self. And of course that is the source of all problems. The Illuminati, highly confused themseves, are not the illness but merely the symptom, ridding of which is only a temporary solution.(probably what DJHives was trying to say himself)

    Comment by Animus — November 26, 2009 @ 12:50 am | Reply

  13. Your whole argument falls short when you don’t know history and don’t know what Illuminati really means or what the Illuminati are actually fighting for…

    Illuminati are believed to be the masterminds behind events that will lead to the establishment of a New World Order. Da Vinci was part of Illuminati. Dalai Lama had connections with the Illuminati. Newton was part of the Illuminati. John F Kennedy was part of the Illuminati.

    All the good guys are part of the Illuminati because you could be selected as being part of this group only if you are an “iluminated” human being. That meaning, if your intelligence is far more advanced than the normal average Joe. Other than that there are these secrets of the world. Secrets of the world meaning universal knowledge that only few could gain. Therefore it is normal to protect this kind of knowledge and send it forward through blood relatives. That’s why the Queen, Einstein or Rotschild are all Illuminati. Because they are carriers of knowledge. A type of knowledge the average human could not comprehend these days.

    As any other group, secret or not, there are two sides. So in this Illuminati group there are two sides which have two different views upon the future of the world. One wants to “enslave” because they became greedy and one wants to build a path for human evolution. They both want the same thing… Evolution but using different methods.

    On short. What we need to realize is that Illuminati it’s not a bad thing for earth. On the contrary, because of them the society exist. We should be thankful for using their knowledge to make roads and build entire cities. They gave us the tools of humanity. However we must also understand that inside this group there are people who are greedy enough to view the world differently. They are powerful and dangerous because they also have a superior knowledge about many things.

    In the end we need to not put the blame on Illuminati but to try and discern the good from the bad and try to fight the evil inside the Illuminati.

    Illuminati are good but there are greedy people inside it that departed themselves from the true goals of this elite group.

    We should use reason and not believe anything we see on TV, youtube or some local newspaper.

    Comment by whatever — March 22, 2011 @ 3:49 pm | Reply

    • Good post!.. I believe the iluminati has lost sight of what is the right thing to do as power corrupts..

      This arose as a quotation by John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton, first Baron Acton (1834–1902). The historian and moralist, who was otherwise known simply as Lord Acton, expressed this opinion in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887:

      “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.”

      I understand the Iluminati think they have given us great technologies etc but the key point is THEY did not give us these things.. Humans did.. I believe without thier order and control we can be a free species and a transparent society that gives everyone a chance to advance intelectualy and to build a good society.. I think the sheeple are a creation of the iluminati as the majority of people are kept stupid by being treated stupid…
      The 80/20 principle shows that the 20 percent of of people are intelegent/wealthy. I see theese people as the “lucky” ones to escape from the iluminatis mindcontrol and hate… If you hate “the common people”.. how can you expect them to behave differnet from how they are being treated… Not everyone has a strong mind… This is a problem within humaninity… Instead of dismising it as a problem the person has to solve.. see it as a problem humanity has to solve…

      The people in the iluminati say that “we have become successul though our own merrits” but theese people are the exception and not the norm. You need to teach people to be great and we will have a great species.

      Plus, most of the time these people have been born into wealth and opertunities.Theese people have mre chance of becoming successful because they think for themseleves.. the other 80 percent dont think for them selves but this should NOT BE EXPLOITED.. These people trust people in power and also intelectuals. Instead of exploiting this trust by calling them stupid and insignificant… call them significant and teach them the way… Without good teachers a society colapses… Good is the key term there.. Anyone can teach.. but teaching good things is important… Hindusim says that everything is interconected.. and we are all one… quantum physics is starting to shed light on this principle… but if you talk to a common brainwashed person they would say you are mad to think the mind can lie outside the brain…. people have been exploited for many years and now is the time for change… LOVE is the ultimate truth and it will be realised.. There is no ultimate good or evil… The world is not black and white.. it is grey… As soon as we realise these truths as a species.. the quicker we can build a peaceful society and colonise space… People have the misconception that nature is harsh… but there is also a lot of cooperation between animals… The key thing that sets us apart from animals is the ability to create and use complex tools and the the freedom of thinking… God made it this way so we can ultimately learn to LOVE… even though we think we have free choice.. we are soon realising that hate and anger have no place in a sustainable society… THIS is the choice we have to make… We can LIVE IN PEACE FOREVER or DIE TOGETHER… do we create HEAVEN ON EARTH? or HELL ON EARTH?.. this is the whole idea of the battle between “GOOD”.. and “EVIL”… people either choose one side or another.. but we are not inherently purely good or purely evil…

      Im not saying lets build a society where no one can curse or anything… FUCK THAT!!…but lets build a society where we respect each other on the same level… no one is higher or lower… we are one… we are human

      Comment by Hiren — May 5, 2011 @ 1:23 pm | Reply

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