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January 14, 2010

Some questions regarding Mary K. Baxter’s “A Divine Revelation of Hell”

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From divinerevelations.info we read:

Mary Katherine Baxter was chosen by God to let the world know of the REALITY of Hell. Jesus Christ appeared to Mary Baxter on 40 consecutive nights and took Mary on a tour of Hell and Heaven. She walked, with Jesus, through the horrors of Hell and talked with many people. Jesus showed her what happens to souls when they die and what happens to the unbelievers and Servants of God who do not obey their calling. divinerevelations.info

I’ve read “A Divine Revelation of Hell” but I was unhappy with three minor passages. They are raised in the following letter, sent to Mrs. Baxter in December of 2009.

N.B. The questions raised in this letter should in no way be construed as being part of my possible personal conviction that hell does not exist. The purpose of this letter was to confront Mrs. Baxter with what I consider to be inconsistencies with the 1 John 4:8 description of God as well as 1 John 4:18. Again, these inconsistencies should not be understood as a denial on my part of the existence of hell.

Letter starts:

Dear Mrs. Baxter,

With fascination I’ve read your book “A Divine Revelation of Hell.” Although I am not doubting the things that have happened, as captured by the book, there are nonetheless a few problems for which I’d like to have your extra clarification.

On page 116, you wrote:

Jesus said, “There are many demons in the air and on the earth. I have allowed you to see some of these demons, but others cannot. That is why the truth of the gospel must be preached to everyone. The truth will set men free, and I will protect them from evil. In My name there is deliverance and freedom. I have all power in heaven and earth. Do not fear Satan, but fear God.”

If we are to fear God then this implies that God could be regarded as being a source of fear for us, correct? Now, when I open the Bible I read:

Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 John 4:8

And a bit further down I read:

There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. 1 John 4:18

So from these two Bible passages I get the impression that God cannot be a source of fear because of 1 John 4:8, and furthermore that it is not good practice for us to fear, as per 1 John 4:18. In addition, if we were to fear then we would not know God, as one cannot fear and love at the same time, as per 1 John 4:18.

Fear is the prime or parental aversive or antipathic emotion whereas love is the prime or parental compassionate or sympathetic emotion. The former alienates and divides us while the latter unites and bonds us. In short, fear and love are each-other’s antagonists. With respect to  love being divine, fear is demonic.

Therefore if we are to fear God then this, per 1 John 4:18, implies that we are to expect punishment from God. If God were to punish us then this would be because we deviate from his will and punishment would be the result. So, is God a punisher? If he would be so then this would seem counter to 1 John 4:8 but also counter to Deuteronomy 30:19 which states:

This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live. Deuteronomy 30:19

and thus implies that God wants us to choose life, i.e. his preferred way, rather than coerce us into following his way. In other words, the meaning of 1 John 4:8 and Deuteronomy 30:19 seems to conflict with the idea that God is out to punish us if we deviate from his will.

Do you acknowledge the discrepancy between your writing and scripture? If so, could you clarify how it came about and how it can be resolved? I ask you therefore explicitly: what you’ve written down on page 116, is that a verbatim capture of Jesus’ literal words to you? Or is it possible that you’ve slightly misunderstood or misrepresented his original words?

On page 124 you write:

“Repent,” He said, “for I am a jealous God. Nothing can be placed before your worship of Me – not sons or daughters or wives or husbands. For God is a spirit, and He must be worshiped in Spirit and truth.”

Jealousy is an aversive emotion that quite directly is based on fear. It is the emotion that belongs to someone not wanting other people to have that what they do not or cannot have. Jealousy is an emotive expression of intolerance. It is also a feeling that belongs to wanting to steal or usurp rather than ask and acquire on the basis of personal merit and achievement (i.e. a basis of deserving). The feelings of intolerance and wanting to steal or usurp are based on fear, not (compassionate) love. Jealousy is also the fear that belongs to the awareness of having to deal with (threatening) competition. So, no matter how you look at it, jealousy is a product of fear.

Now while I know that it is indeed stated in the Bible that God is “a jealous God,” I do not believe that this is an accurate representation of God since if it would then there would be an internal conflict with 1 John 4:8: God is love. And when it is stated that God is jealous then that implies that God is not purely a god of love but that he also is (partially or wholly) a god of fear, and this in turn, conflicts directly with 1 John 4:18.  So again, there is a contradiction here. Please clarify.

On page 191 you write:

Then I heard Jesus say, “My people should love one another and help one another. They must hate sin and love the sinner. By this love shall all men know that you are My disciples.”

First off, the statement, through using the word must, implies the necessity for coercion. Again there arises a conflict with Deuteronomy 30:19, which, although they are encouraged to choose life, it is left to the believer, not to God, to either choose life or death. Deuteronomy 30:19 implies the granting of free will to the believer. Your statement implies coercion. Both conflict with one and other in meaning.

Secondly, the believer is coerced to hate (…sin). Hate is an aversive emotion that is grounded in fear (fear of being hurt again), the antagonist of love. Of and by itself there already seems to be a conflict with 1 John 4:8 and 1 John 4:18. The effect of hate is the formation of a sort of aversive emotional shielding around the object or subject of hate. Hate does not encourage investigation into the nature of the object or subject of hate, in fact the hater is encouraged to precisely do the opposite: to stay as far away as far possible from trying to understand the source or subject of hate. Indeed hate encourages the hater to destroy, rather than understand, the source of hate, if given half a chance. A consequence of this blunt and myopic ego-based strategy is that the hater keeps on remaining ignorant of the nature of the source of hate.

At least in this specific case, where sin is to be hated, this is unfortunate because if the hater would know why he perpetrated the sin he could arm and prepare himself to be able to prevent recurrence of the sin next time because he would know how to circumvent the necessary conditions and circumstances that led him to sin. By remaining ignorant (through hate), no such possibility will exist for the sinner.

The imperative to hate, i.e. by having to stay ignorant, also seems counter to different words of Jesus:

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Matthew 10:16

So on the one hand Jesus allegedly, according to your words, wants us to remain ignorant (of the nature of our sins), but, as per Matthew 16:16,  he does wants us to be wise as serpents, a state of mind that’s the very opposite of being ignorant. The latter seems to encourage us to pursue understanding while the former coerces us to do the opposite. So which one is it going to be? Please help resolve this apparent contradiction.

I’d appreciate it very much if you could respond to the three problems raised.

Sincerely in Christ,

Letter ends.

A month has passed now and have not received any response back from her yet.

Bummer….


15 Comments »

  1. it depends on us how to chage and repent. reading or not is just an instrument. is it on your self that you truly trust god. even you read the whole aricle of revelation but in your heart there is absence of reality for god. that will be useless. i will say give your whole life to god whatever happens but we only see the reality of gods because we are here….we are all his child. make your own belief on GOD in many all good ways. without any pushment of other…have an strong and large god in your hart….

    from philippines mike..

    Comment by yukuso — May 27, 2010 @ 10:38 am | Reply

  2. What a sad thing that people after reading this message will see it as the truth. There is not Biblical truth in all this messages. We see Jesus and indeed God as a merciless, brute. God is love. In His mercy there is going to be a judgment and the wicked will be destroyed. We are told that the righteous will walk on the ashes of the wickedMalachi:3 The fire that will destroy them will be like the fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. These cities were destroyed we can see the eternal evidence but they are still not burning. So will the wicked be destroyed. No one is burning in hell right now. All the wicked will be destroyed after they have all been risen from the death at the same time. They are all sleeping in their graves. That tells us of a fair and just God. Why would he punish a person for six thousand years who killed one person and then punish Hitler for just a few years for killing millions. This doctrine is propagated by the devil who wants to propagate his first lie, that we are immortal. It is not found anywhere in the Bible. Fire will come down from God on the earth (Rev 20:9),to destroy the wicked and God will make a new heaven and a new earth so that the meek can inherit the earth (Isaiah 66:22-33), how can He do so with the earth on fire for all eternity? The lake of fire burns right here on planet earth. It can’t burn for all eternity for eternal punishing and God cannot make himself a liar by not allowing the meek to inherit the earth. I can burn for a time for an eternal punishment though. listen to this preacher talk to you about the good news about hell and make up your mind who is presenting the truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9C16ErHyy8&feature=related

    Comment by Anne — August 16, 2010 @ 4:30 am | Reply

    • Good Lord Anne, how can you live with yourself after typing this nonsense. You don’t have the faintest ability to have an opinion about God the Father and what He does. You need to STOP…. and then reboot your brain. Step 1: start by recognizing the FACT that you are not capable of fathoming the decisions of God. Once you understand how far down the ladder of life you are from Him, you will start to lean in the direction of trusting the Holy Spirit to tell you Truth, instead of relying on your own decisions. There IS a hell, there IS a Satan, there is punishment and torment in hell, and all who do not accept the Lord are going straight there when they die. There is no ‘sleeping’, there is no mercy, and God made the rules a long time ago. We ARE totally sinful and we can only survive through the Son. P E R I O D.
      Those who CHOOSE to believe as they will AND are wrong will suffer the consequences of trusting themselves over God.

      Comment by Brian — September 3, 2011 @ 4:48 pm | Reply

      • Amen Brian, Amen!!

        Comment by Cece — December 11, 2011 @ 9:45 pm

    • I think you need to check your scriptures before you elaborate. Maybe a little more in depth reading would emerge the real answers for revelation. Sorry Anne but you are quite confused. Your quotes are verbatim however try reading other versions to help you with your perception on the truth of what’s to come, what is happening, and what is real. Remember that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

      Comment by Justin — December 19, 2011 @ 10:20 am | Reply

  3. My little sister phoned me one day in tears. She knows how my faith in my Creator, God and in JEsus have always been unfaltering, due to my own personal experiences in life, where God never left my side and true small but significant miracles took place.
    She was crying and very upset. She read this book and told me she is so scared, that she is afraid to even talk or breathe, as she might sin!! I was furious. I then chose to read this book and became more angry as I read on. (Now Mary Baxter and her followers might say that’s because Satan made me angry as he does not want me to read the truth) but I say to you all today, I got angry, because God gave me and all of you life as a present, a gift and not as a punishment. God is LOVE. plain and simple. Love conquers all. Even sin. Forgiveness is our biggest present we can give others, because by forgiving them we set them free from their own personal hell and can they move on.
    Mary’s accomplishments with this book is in scaring people to live life.
    I prayed that God and GOD alone will reveal His truth to me. a WEEK later I received a book called Messages from your Angels, and after reading it, I felt God answered my prayer. I no longer feared him or to live. Instead I felt his true love as I read Mesages from your Angels.

    Mary’s book opened not fear but hate in my heart that a God can be so cruel.
    MEssages from your Angels had me in tears of joy for God’s love for us. I loved Him even more for loving us and the angels who loved us when we as people sin so much. And the message I received in my heart from God: I love you like you love your sons. The same, just much more than you are capable of.
    That said it all, for I love my children so much, even when and if theyy did something so wrong that will break my heart, I will ALWAYS forgive them and love them and will never condemm them to hell. And when tehy say sorry, I have already forgot and forgiven them.

    Plain and simple, one small message in my heart. YOu decide yourself then how you perceive your Father in HEaven.
    Regards
    Sonja

    Comment by Sonja — September 7, 2010 @ 12:07 pm | Reply

    • Hello. God is loving and kind and we so often get caught up on that, that we forget that He is also a God of judgement. Let us remember that sin is what separates us from God. In order to miss hell, you must ask the Lord to come into your life, repent of your sins, and start to live your life sin-free. No we are not perfect but if you submit to God, He will start to perfect areas of your life. But know this, if you die without repenting, hell is where you will lift up your eyes. This book only allows you a change to get it right before it is too late. But as you should do always, pray and sincerly ask God to confirm this in your life and He will. Blessings to you.

      Comment by Cece — December 11, 2011 @ 9:40 pm | Reply

  4. Hello, My name is Marissa Morales… I am currently 15 eyars old and todays date is November 10, 2010. I am currently reading the book A Devine Revelation of Hell… it is very eye opening. I am now very passionate about striving to be a better child of God. I say that yet I sin everyday! :(… but reading this book just makes everything so much more worth being a chritian and serving god that I really should just drop my “treasures” and let God be my ultimate prize… I am very lost in this place we call our home, the world, and I want to change. I know I am only 15 but I really dont care I need to straighten out and become a role model for my peers and generation to see what God our savior has in store for them and the people ahead of us and behind us. I really did not take god seriously when my Grandmother would constantly explain to me how important He is, I would always think ‘ I have tommorrow I cant fix myself then!’ but realizing that some of these people in this book thought the same and look what happened! I dont want that to happen to me… I want Christ as my savior and I want to follow Him and Him only…. I will change Mary Baxter and thanks to you and my Father Jesus I am starting to realize that there are better things awaiting me and no one can take them away from me… I am glad God has given me many days to realize that and many chances. I honestly dont know where I would be if god hadnt shown up in my grandmothers life… And i cannot wait too see what my Lost has in store for me… Please pray for me and my family to do somejustice to God ane become more interested beleivers.. and please lots of prayers for me so that I can set an example for my siblings and peers and brethren of Christ. God bless and Live life the way the Lord, the Alpha and Omega, has set out for you and follow it and become rich in his eyes and word!

    Comment by Marissa Morales- 15 y/o female — November 11, 2010 @ 2:23 am | Reply

  5. the one who wrote the article to contradict what marry has seen needs the baptism of the holy spirit, today we have many people who have a testimony like mary and they all saw the same thing . in my previous church there is a girl who doen not know that well english and she went to hell and saw the same things yet she never read mary s testimony. Dont contradict spiritual things you dont understand , its dangerous. GOD IS A JALOUS GOD, WE MUST FEAR HIM!

    Comment by MWALIMUSHI — June 23, 2011 @ 4:54 pm | Reply

  6. Some people will believe this revelation while some will not, it is natural, but one thing is certain: HELL IS REAL.

    Comment by IFEANYI — June 24, 2011 @ 5:51 pm | Reply

  7. My mom suggested I read this book, as it made her cry every time she read it in the past. I know about hell and the danger of being thrown in there because we didnt do something we were supposed to and I’ll never know what hell is like because I dont plan on going there.
    However there are a couple things that conflict the word of God, while the author wrote the book:
    Number one- Near the end of Chapter 20, the author makes the impression that Jesus Christ is coming again BEFORE the great tribulation. If Christ Jesus had actually walked Mary Baxter through 40 nights of hell- HE WOULD NOT HAVE ALLOWED HER TO CONTRADICT HIS WORD. Matthew 24:29-31 in Jesus’ own words, tells us that AFTER the tribulation He will come on clouds with great power and glory and send His angels to gather up His elect from one end of heaven to the other end of heaven. No matter what the vision is, the Lord will NOT allow it to be in contrast with what His word says.
    Number two- We have the word of God, the Bible. Im curious why people do not read the bible. Everything is in the bible. For example, I would not have know the book Mary Baxter wrote was fake unless I read the Bible and found scripture where her book is in conflict with the bible. That being said, Take a look at Luke 16:19-31- The Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus. In verse 31 of Luke 16, we are solemnly reminded that we need to read the bible and believe it. “And he said to him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rose from the dead.” The point being: if we will not hear what the Scriptures say, nobody will be persuaded though one rose from the dead- Abraham says this to the rich man because the rich man in hell wanted Lazarus to raise from the dead to warn the rich man’s 5 brothers.
    Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was crucified to destroy the works of satan, to set us free. And if one would just believe with ALL of their mind, heart, and souls! Repent, and be saved! Believe in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth! Bear Good Spiritual Fruit- Galatians 5:22-23. Read and Study the word of God- 2 Timothy 2:15, Have a sincere relationship with God! Be obedient to the word of God! 2 Thessalonians 1:8
    Hell is real, satan wants you there but the Lord Jesus died to keep you from going there. Put on the WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD! Ephesians 6:13-18

    Comment by Matt Skelton — May 8, 2012 @ 5:10 am | Reply

  8. God the maker of heaven and earth is real. heaven and hell are real too. Open no room for critics about questions that you will never find solutions. Seek Jesus Christ in zealous way to inherit eternal life. Jesus reveals his deep secrets to his chosen ones but not all. Mary Baxter is among the chosen to whom we have heard the revelation of which has changed lives of many. For instance here in Tanzania, a person who used to be a bandit and an extreme thief who was takes to jail many times was given a book of a divine revelation of hell to read, and he promised to change and seek God will curiosity, also he decided to go to jail to preach and stay there till people get to know God.

    Comment by clifton mahande — June 27, 2012 @ 1:45 am | Reply

  9. is wearing trouser and earings a sin that will take someone to hell?

    Comment by johnson Akinbola — June 11, 2013 @ 10:31 am | Reply

  10. many testimonies & devine revelations(of hell by thomas sambo, comfession of evan. fumilayo, sis.linda,sis. ayo)…truth

    Comment by GODWIN O. J. — September 5, 2013 @ 8:21 am | Reply

    • Go to google orU-Tube & search for divine revelation of hell by thomas sambo comfessn. of evan fumi compare iu wIt bible

      Comment by GODWIN O. J. — September 5, 2013 @ 8:36 am | Reply


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