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November 27, 2009

Appendix B: The Relationship between the Roman Church and Communism (1of3)


Unmasking the Roman Catholic “Our Lady of Fatima”
Table of Contents
The Our Lady of Fatima Shrine in Lewiston, NY
Taking Pictures and Praying against Jezebel inside the Shrine
What is “Our Lady of Fatima”?
Competing with Christ, Conflict with Scripture
Mariology, Catholic Mary Apologetics
What Being does Our Lady of Fatima Represent?
Our Lady of Fatima, Usurper and Deceiver
Addressing the Historical Context of “Our Lady of Fatima”
Nazism and Communism, Raised by the Vatican
The Vatican’s Undying Fetish for Socialism
A: The Messages of “Our Lady of Fatima”
B: The Relationship between the Roman Church and Communism (1of3)
The Jesuits Perfected Communism in the Paraguayan “Reductions” of the 17th and 18th Century
Jesuits and the Russian Revolution
B: The Relationship between the Roman Church and Communism (2of3)
Soviet Dictator Joseph Stalin, Jesuit Creation and Jesuit Tool
Cuban Communist Dictator Fidel Castro, Trained by Jesuits
B: The Relationship between the Roman Church and Communism (3of3)
The Second Vatican Council
The Pact of Metz
Liberation Theology
Adolfo Nicholas and Liberation Theology
Catholic Vindication of Marx
Making Sense of the Schizophrenic Relationship between the Roman Church and Communism
C: The Relationship between the Roman Church and National Socialism (1of2)
On the Kinship between the Catholic Church and Adolf Hitler
The Concordat with Nazi Germany
The Jesuit Hand in Nazi Germany
C: The Relationship between the Roman Church and National Socialism (2of2)
Father Staempfle Secretly Writes Mein Kampf
Jesuit Control of Nazi Leadership through Education
Jesuit-trained Joseph Goebbels
High Ranking Nazi Members of the Catholic Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM)

When you see a night illumined by an unknown light*, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.[6] Excerpt from the Second Secret of Fatima (Wikipedia)

This appendix renders some of the available evidence on the secretive relationship between the Catholic Church, and its Jesuit Order in particular, and the birth and subsequent development of Communism, Soviet Communism in particular.

The Jesuits Perfected Communism in the Paraguayan “Reductions” of the
17th and 18th Century

It is ironic that the ostensibly much dreaded arch-enemy of the Roman Church is at its practical core a Jesuitical invention. Indeed, communism was perfected by the Jesuits in the Paraguayan reductions of the 17th and 18th century.

The Jesuit Reductions were a particular version of the general Catholic strategy used in the 17th and 18th centuries of building reductions (reducciones de indios), in order to Christianize the indigenous populations of the Americas more efficiently. The reductions were created by the Catholic order of the Jesuits in South America, in areas inhabited by the TupiGuarani peoples, which generally corresponds to modern day Paraguay. Later reductions were extended into the areas that correspond to Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia and Uruguay.
In these regions the Jesuit reductions were different from the reductions in other regions, because the Indians were expected to adopt Christianity but not European culture.[1] Under the Jesuit leadership of the Indians through native “puppetcaciques, the reductions achieved a high degree of autonomy within the Spanish and Portuguese colonial empires. With the use of Indian labour, the reductions became economically successful. When their existence was threatened by the incursions of Bandeirante slave traders, Indian militia were created that fought effectively against the colonists.[1] The resistance by the Jesuit reductions to slave raids, as well as their high degree of autonomy and economic success, have been cited as contributing factors to the expulsion of the Jesuits from the Americas in 1767.[2] The Jesuit reductions present a controversial chapter of the evangelisational history of the Americas, and are variously described as jungle utopias or as theocratic regimes of terror.[1] Jesuit Reductions (Wikipedia)

The Jesuit reduction of São Miguel das Missões, in Brazil (Wikipedia)

Church from the reduction of San Ignacio Mini (Wikipedia)

Misión de San José de Chiquitos (Bolivia) (Wikipedia)

Here is an excerpt from The Revolutionary Movement – A Diagnosis of World Disorders by J. Findlater (1933) which lifts the veil on the nature of the Jesuit-run Communistic Reductions:

Alternatively to the hardcopy, A pdf copy of the Findlater book can be downloaded, free-of-charge, from mediafire here.

Location of the most important reductions in Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay, with present political divisions. (Wikipedia)


Another historian, Giovanni Battista Nicolini, although slightly apologetic at times of the Jesuits, writes in his History of the Jesuits (1854):

When once the Jesuits had raised up a generation so devoted and obedient, they then brought into operation their system of government, and made a successful attempt to realise that republic preconceived of old by Plato, and which, with perhaps more interested views is held out to us by the Socialists of our own day. In fact, their form of a republic was nothing else than that Communism which the famous Cabet is now trying to establish in nearly the same regions; the only difference being, that the Jesuits substituted themselves for the state or community. Nicolini – History of the Jesuits (p. 302)

Here is more evidence as to the Jesuitical communistic exploits of the Paraguayan reductions:

Starting in the 1600s, the Jesuits created a communist regime in Paraguay that
eventually brought the Jesuits demise in the 1700s.
The Jesuits, as is well known, held very large regions of Paraguay under missionary control from 1650 to 1750. More than a quarter million natives worked under their direction, and no payment was made directly to them…. They were educated, trained, housed, clothed, fed and, to some extent, amused, but what became of the surplus profits of their labours, and of the extensive trading that was carried on? Over two thousand boats are said to have been engaged in carrying merchandise and goods on the Parana River; and the economic value of the Reductions was beyond doubt very great: so great in deed as to have awakened the envy of Spanish and Portuguese traders. Robertson [contemporary historian] estimated that the reductions represented at least $25,000,000 capital for the Society. – Boyd Barrett, The Jesuit Enigma, New York: Boni & Liveright, p. 211.
The Reductions were communist communes set up as manufacturing facilities using the Guarani Indians as slave laborers. The products they produced were sold in Europe and greatly enriched the Jesuit order. Bill Hughes, The Enemy Unmasked, chapter 3
The so-called sixth section of the book consists of a sketch of the Jesuit mission settlements in Paraguay, by M. Paul Lafargue. The Jesuit “Republic” of Paraguay has often been vaunted as a model of benevolent despotic Communism. According to Mr. Lafargue it was, on the contrary:

–A Capitalistic State in which men, women, and children were condemned to compulsory labour and to the whip, and were deprived of all rights, in which all vegetated in equal misery and equal degeneracy, no matter how well agriculture and industry flourished, no matter how great was the surplus of the goods which they produced.

[E. Belfort Bax] The Forerunners of Modern Socialism (30 December 1895)

The discovery of America by Columbus in 1492 was of profound significance. He sailed under the sign of the red cross, the sign of the Templars. After the discovery, the Pope laid claim to the Americas as his own, and divided them between Spain and Portugal. The Church of Rome and in particular the Jesuits had enormous influence all over Central and Southern America in the following 200 to 300 years. The Jesuits founded their model society in Paraguay, based on the Communist principles of Plato. The parallel between the Jesuits’ Communist state of Paraguay in the 17th century and the New World Order of the occult societies is remarkable.
The superiority of Rome declined in Central and Southern America during the 18th & 19th centuries, as revolutions occurred that gave birth to countries we know today.THE OCCULT AND WORLD REVOLUTION

Plato's Republic

Thomas Moore's Utopia

Revisionist historian Eric Jon Phelps further clarifies the communist nature of the Reductions:

Martin: The relationship between Communism and Freemasonry. Where do the Jesuits fit into Communism and Freemasonry?

Phelps: Let’s, first of all, look at the relationship of Jesuitism to Communism. The Jesuits perfected the tenets of Communism on their reductions in Paraguay, for 150 years, from 1600-1750.

Martin: What is a reduction?

Phelps: A reduction is a commune. In Israel they would call it a kibbutz. In Joseph Stalin’s Russia they would call it a commune. In New York they call it a village. In France, Paris, they called it a commune. It’s communal living where everybody is equal in their finances, in the labors; you have no great, no small, no rich, no poor—everybody is small, and everybody is poor, and everybody is controlled by a dictator. That’s the essence of Communism.

The Jesuits, on the reductions in Paraguay, which were the communes, had a central bank, and it was “each according to their ability and each according to their need”. And so, the Guarani Indians that were the subjects—and there were some 200,000 of these South American Indian natives who were slaves of the Jesuits, putting their goods into world commerce and trade. They were living under the tenets of Communism, perfected by the Jesuits, as outlined in Plato’s Republic and Sir Thomas Moore’s Utopia. The Jesuits perfected it on their reductions.
With that, they then introduced Communism in 1848 through Karl Marx. They tutored him in the British Museum, according to Alberto Rivera, an ex-Jesuit.
So Marx, the Jewish Freemason, was to be the one to put forward this Communism for the world, so that Communism would look like a Jewish brain-child, so that Communism could be blamed on the Jews. Well, what’s NOT told is that the Jews involved in the implementing of Communism were Masonic Jews. Karl Marx was a 33rd-degree Freemason, a worshipper of Lucifer, whose father wanted nothing to do with him, because his father was a Baptist preacher.
Jewish Freemasonry, controlled by the Jesuits, implemented Communism in Russia. Lenin, the half-Jew, was a Freemason. That civil war that took place from 1917-1922, for 5 years, was given the appearance that it was primarily Yiddish. I mean, they’re on the streets of Russia talking Yiddish; they had Yiddish signs; and it was wanted to give the impression to the world that this revolution was of Jewish origin.
For 10 years after the revolution, the Jews faired very well, but in 1922, Joseph Stalin, that great Jew-hater, who was educated by Jesuits in Georgia—which was a country south of Russia and, therefore, the Emperor’s banning of the Jesuits from Russia, his Ukase, made him Secretary of the Communist Party in 1922, until he died in 1953.
The Jesuits used Freemasonry and, of course, Stalin was also a brother Freemason. They used Freemasonry to implement Communism in Russia, and from there, China, and from there, throughout the world. bibliotecapleyades.net
We are deeply sorrowful and at a loss for words in comprehending this Great Russian Tragedy of the Twentieth Century. Always an enemy of the Papacy, Orthodox Russia, both its Patriarch and Romanov Tzar, refused to recognize the supremacy of the Pope of Rome as the “Universal Bishop, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Servant of the Servants of God, Rector of the World upon Earth and Father of Princes and Kings.” Expelled by Tzars Peter I the Great in 1723 (later poisoned) and Alexander I in 1820 (also poisoned), the Black Pope’s relentless Militia of Jesus continually agitated the people against its rulers while having infiltrated the Orthodox hierarchy and the Court of each succeeding Monarch. This ceaseless war, including the agitation in nearby Roman Catholic Poland, finally culminated in the Order’s violent and bloody overthrow of the Romanov Dynasty with the success of its Bolshevik Revolution. In full control of both sides during the Russian Civil War ending in 1920, the Bolshevik Red Army emerged victorious over the betrayed, anti-Jew, White Russian Army. Upon that defeat, due to Masonic President Harding’s food relief to the Bolsheviks, the Company of Jesus was formally re-admitted into Russia after over 100 years of suppression. In 1929 the Jesuits erected their Russian College in Rome for the training of Jesuit priests to rule the Black Pope’s USSR. Above, the Jesuit Superior General, Pedro Arrupe, is third from the right in the second row. The Jesuits: A History, David Mitchell, (London: Macdonald Futura Publishers, 1980). (Eric Jon Phelps – Vatican Assassins III, page 815)

The Jesuits and the Russian Revolution

Why were the Jesuits so interested in Russia? Russia was the home of the Orthodox Christian Church, considered an arch-enemy of Rome that refused to bow down to Popery. The installation of a godless communist regime, hostile and intolerant towards religion, could function as a launching pad for the destruction of the Orthodox Church.

Jack Chick, on the basis of the revelations made by the late Jesuit renegade Alberto Rivera, explains in The Godfathers:

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With respect to overthrowing the Romanov dynasty and establishing Communist rule, Karl Marx and Rasputin were given a special purpose by the Jesuit Order:

Karl Marx, “the Father of Modern Communism” was himself an occultist and high-level Jewish Freemason, intimately associated with Rome’s Giuseppe Mazzini (1805-1872)—the most powerful Shriner on the Continent and founder of the Mafia—and Albert Pike (1809-1891), the most powerful Shriner in Fourteenth Amendment America and a leader of the first Ku Klux Klan. He was privately tutored by Jesuits in the huge Reading Room of the British Museum while writing The Communist Manifesto based upon the ten maxims or “planks” the Order had perfected on its Paraguayan Reductions (1609-1767) and its Maryland Reductions (1650-1838). His writings (including The Jewish Question in promoting the Company’s European “Jewish Question Agitation,” Marx claiming, “behind every tyrant stands a Jew, as a Jesuit stands behind every Pope,” and exhorting “the workers of the world to fight and eliminate such a cancer”) were financed by the Society’s wealthy, White Gentile cartel-capitalists, such as John D. Rockefeller, Jr., and J. P. Morgan, also 33rd Degree Freemasons who, being in their doctrines and deeds, were in fact the revived old Order of the crusading Papal Knights Templars. Brought to international fame in 1870 via the Order’s Paris Commune, Marx, a racial Jew, was chosen for this task, the Order intending to blame all the brutal and savage evils of their absolutist, Communist Inquisition on the Semitic/Hebrew/Israelitic/Jewish Race. This masterstroke of Jesuit genius was fulfilled by the Black Pope’s Third Reich with its invasion of Russia during “Operation Barbarossa,” followed by the Order’s SS “extirpation” of “infidel” European and Russian Jewry with the aid of Stalin, Churchill, and FDR pursuant to the bigoted and accursing Council of Trent. Marx and Satan, Richard Wurmbrand, (Westchester, Illinois: Crossway Books, 1986) p. 41. Karl Marx: A Life, Francis Wheen, (New York: W. W. Norton & Co., 1999). (Eric Jon Phelps – Vatican Assassins III page 802)

Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor Gregory Rasputin, 1915

As the Black Pope’s Masonic Comte de Cagliostro (Joseph Balsamo) incited the French Revolution against King Louis XVI via the “Diamond Necklace Affair,” even so the Order’s Masonic Rasputin (Gregory Yefimovich) incited the Russian Revolution against Tzar Nicholas II through his control of the beautiful Empress Alexandra leading to infamous court debaucheries and oppressive policies of state. According to Jesuit Edmund A. Walsh, “At a Masonic Congress held in [Jesuit-ruled] Brussels at this time [1911], Rasputin was discussed as a possible instrument for spreading the tenets of the order in Russia; it was thought that under his destructive influence the dynasty could be destroyed in two years.”*

Further, ex-Jesuit Alberto Rivera was informed in Rome by Jesuit Augustin Cardinal Bea that Rasputin discovered the secret location of the Tzar’s gold through the Empress. The mad monk then informed Tikhon, the Orthodox Patriarch, who later turned that treasure over to the Order’s Bolsheviks.**

*The Fall of the Russian Empire: The Story of the Last of the Romanovs and the Coming of the Bolsheviki,

Edmund A. Walsh, S.J., (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co., 1928) p. 110.

**The Godfathers: Alberto Part Three, Jack Chick and Alberto Rivera, (Chino, California: Chick Publications, 1982) pp. 12-15.

Rasputin: The Holy Devil, Rene Fulop-Miller, (New York: The Viking Press, 1928). (Eric Jon Phelps – Vatican Assassins III page 539)

Jesuit Coadjutors Rasputin, Bishop Hermogen and Iliodor, 1905

Grigory Yefimovich Rasputin, the demon-possessed, glassy-eyed, licentious, mad monk, came to the Order’s Bishop Sergius, rector of the Theological Seminary of St. Petersburg in 1903, with a powerful letter of introduction from Chrysanthos, Archminandrite of the Orthodox Kazan eparchy within the Order’s stronghold of Siberia. Immediately well received, this “Caesar Borgia of Russia” was introduced into the court of Tzar Nicholas II and his German Empress, Alexandra—the darling of the Jesuits. Years later and for a job well done, the Order’s Masonic Josef Stalin would restore the “Orthodox Papacy” in 1942 by appointing Sergius the first Patriarch of All Russia. All of Rasputin’s political enemies, including Prime Minister P. S. Stolypin, were removed or assassinated and by 1916, while the Tzar was away at the war front, Rasputin, in controlling the Empress, became the virtual ruler of Russia, abolishing the Russian Parliament (the Duma) and, in the name of the Tzar, promoting anti-Jewish laws and pogroms thereby igniting the Order’s Zionist Bolshevik Revolution. Both Rasputin and Stalin had a common mentor—Bishop Hermogen—the rector of Tiflis Theological Seminary at which several Jesuits were instructors. Iliodor, a typical Jesuit agitator of states, was the great promoter of this “man of God,” preaching to huge crowds about the mad monk’s life and powers while secretly playing the spy for his master, Bishop Hermogen. In 1916 Rasputin was rightly assassinated; later his emasculated body was exhumed and publicly burned.

The Rasputin File, Edvard Radzinsky, (New York: Anchor Books, 2001). (Eric Jon Phelps – Vatican Assassins III page 803)

The reason why the Jesuits were so comfortable with Russia, is explained in this quote:

“The Jesuits [in the 1920s] looked after the Russian youths [in Paris] in gratitude to the Empress Catherine II who, when Pope Clement XIV dissolved the Society of Jesus in 1775 [1773] and every country in Europe, even Spain, expelled its members, gave the Jesuits asylum in Russia. Many of the Russian boys became Roman Catholics and even priests to form a band of missionaries to accompany the armies which some day, they fervently believed, would lead them back to Mother Russia to convert the Slavs from Pravoslavnaya to Roman Catholicism.” {8} [Emphasis added] Pierre van Paassen, 1964; Dutch Reformed Journalist To Number Our Days, quoted in Eric Jon Phelps’ – Vatican Assassins III (page 774)

A little further in the same book, we read on the cooperation between Soviet Russia and the Jesuits:

In the communist strategy Catholic propaganda was to cause the whole Orthodox structure to crumble . . . The instruments of this new alliance between the Soviets and the Vatican were to be the Jesuits, described as the hereditary enemies of the Orthodox Church. Reportedly, there were, and had been for a considerable time, large numbers of representatives of the Jesuit Order in Moscow [during the revolution] including Bishop [Edward] Ropp. The Pope, [Pius XI] who is said to have left the Jesuit Order before being elected Pope, acted entirely on the instructions of Count Wladimir Ledochowski, the superior general of the Jesuit Order! According to the same report [in maintaining the illusion that the Order was not in full control of the Bolsheviks], the Vatican felt it could bring the Russian [Orthodox] Church under papal domination only if Tikhon [Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church] were eliminated, a condition which the Bolsheviks thought had been fulfilled. The Jesuits and the Vatican, on their part, promised that after a conclusion of a concordat [a Concordat!!!], they would do all in their power to put pressure on the governments of Italy, France, and Belgium to hasten their recognition of the Soviet government [which was done].” {31} [Emphasis added] – Eric Jon Phelps – Vatican Assassins III (p. 792)

From Sidney Hunter’s Is Alberto for real?, we read on the same subject:

Dr. Rivera is wrong in his claim that Jesuits prepared the Russian Revolution and helped Marx, Engels, Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin bring in Communism in order to destroy the Orthodox Church.
Answer: We cannot deny that the Russian Revolution was set up by outside interests. No movement of the people on its own will succeed against a modern army without outside help. The old days of Robin Hood, when a few rebels could trouble a properly trained army, are over.
Today, any rebel force that wants to be successful must have many modern weapons. How to get them is the problem. They cannot manufacture weapons themselves; nor is it possible to capture sufficient quantities of them from the enemy.
Modern examples of this are Vietnam and Afghanistan. The communists in Vietnam only succeeded because of massive Russian armament shipments into North Vietnam harbors. The anti-communist forces in Afghanistan cannot succeed without limited outside help.
So it was in 1917. Without outside help, the Communist Revolution would have fizzled out quickly. Wall Street And The Bolshevik Revolution, the well-documented book by Anthony Sutton, shows how money was moved from German and American banks through Swedish banks into Russia for the Bolsheviks’ use.
Now, the question arises, who were the powers with enough interest in the Communist movement who could send large amounts of money and enough arms to help them to victory? See National Suicide, by A. Sutton, page 76! The general explanation is that the German government wanted to help the Bolsheviks into power so they would end the war.
Much can be said on this point, but time does not permit. Rivera’s claims as to the secret force behind the Bolshevik movement, which makes more sense than most of the others, are confirmed by Avro Manhattan in his book, The Vatican Billions. On pages 124-125 he writes this:

“The overthrow of the Czarist system therefore, brought with it the inevitable overthrow of the established Orthodox Church. To the Vatican, which had waged war against the Orthodox Church since the eleventh century, the downfall of her millenarian rival was too good to be true. The evil of Bolshevism could in this manner be accepted in view of its having destroyed the Orthodox Church – with one proviso, however, that it should give the Catholic church a free hand to finish the task of eliminating Orthodoxy in Russia once and for all.

“The deal was accepted, and so it came to pass that while the Vatican was fulminating against Bolshevism, the Bolsheviks in the Kremlin and the Vatican’s diplomats in Rome began secret negotiations. Lenin agreed with the Pope. Machineries were set up. Papal Commissions, some headed by American prelates, were despatched to Bolshevik Russia, disguised as famine relief missions and the like.

“In Rome and elsewhere, Catholic priests were given accelerated instruction in Russian Orthodox theology and ritual. Grandiose schemes were blueprinted for taking over the Orthodox Church, lock, stock and barrel, including the claims for her former wealth and lands; these to be put forward at a later stage, once Catholicism had taken over.”

The reason the deal fell through can be attributed to the cleverness of Lenin, who eventually saw through the real motives of the Vatican. Now, if you care to read carefully the whole chapter of the above mentioned books and Wall Street And The Bolshevik Revolution, you will see a picture emerging which is comfortably close to the claims made by Rivera; that the Jesuits did set up the Russian Revolution. Sydney Hunter – Is Alberto for Real?

Continued with Part 2of3


  1. Ex-communist Bella Dodd, who converted back to the Catholic Church by Archbishop Fulton Sheen, testified to the fact that she sent over 1,000 marxist radicals into catholic seminaries. So the church has been infiltrated by its enemies from within. For the truth about Our Lady of Fatima, see http://www.fatima.org

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  3. You are a liar. Mazzini did not get along with Karl Marx they often critizize each other point of view. Mazzini was perhaps the founder of the mafia but he was a hero. It is true that the vatican makes money from the italian mafia. Don’t try to hard to put down the Vatican because the real enemy is Satan. The vatican at times might use evil instead of good just like any other protestant church. And what does Freemasonry have to do with anything of this. The KJV was written by a freemason. In the 17-19 century it was known for many people to be freemasonry. I am aware that freemasonry can be a gateway to the occult but that is not always the case. This article makes you sound like a conspiracy wacko and that makes you loose credibility. You did say somethings that are true but don’t exagerrate your information. Don’t assert that Karl Marx was an occultist just because he was a freemasonry.

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      JEREMIAH 17:9-10; JAMES 1:12-20

      GENESIS 1:1

      “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not traitor, he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.” – Cicero, 42 B.C.


      Satan in the Book of Job: The Facts
      The Book of Job does not tell us many facts concerning the identity of Satan, which is doubtless why it forms such a mystery. Nevertheless we do glean two things from the passages where Satan is mentioned:
      Satan presented himself before God
      Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. (Job 1:6 RSV)
      Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. (Job 2:1 RSV)
      Satan is given the authority (by God) to cause calamity to Job
      The LORD said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.” (Job 1:12)
      The LORD said to Satan, “Very well, then, he is in your hands; but you must spare his life.” So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD and afflicted Job with painful sores from the soles of his feet to the top of his head. (Job 2:6-7)
      These two dialogues, in Job 1 and 2 respectively, are the only appearances of the word “Satan” in the book of Job. So the information we have to work with to understand who “Satan” is, is minimal. To help us understand these quotes it is useful to explore occurrences of the two facts: ‘presenting oneself before the Lord’ and the ‘power to cause calamity’ in other parts of the Bible.
      Comparing the facts in Job with other Scriptures
      Presenting oneself before the Lord

      It is noteworthy that in the Bible those who present themselves before the Lord are invariably men: not angels, nor any other type of being. Here are some examples:
      The LORD said to Moses… “Be ready in the morning, and then come up on Mount Sinai. Present yourself to me there on top of the mountain.” (Exodus 34:1-2)
      The priest who pronounces him clean shall present both the one to be cleansed and his offerings before the LORD at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. (Leviticus 14:11)
      Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy… (Jude 1:24 KJV)
      By contrast, the angels are described as being permanently in the presence of God.
      “See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.” (Matthew 18:10)
      On the basis of the evidence above, we are left to question who then was:
      “…Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD”?
      If the scriptural pattern is consistent the answer is that it must be men, appearing in a place of worship or otherwise who are presenting thoughts to God, e.g. in prayer or meditation.
      Furthermore the Bible categorically states that an angel could not have brought this slanderous accusation against Job in the presence of God:
      …angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against [righteous men] in the presence of the Lord. (2 Peter 2:11)
      The Power to cause Calamity
      The Bible makes clear that God has ultimate control over everything, including the power to allow or prevent the evil behavior of men. The power to cause calamitous diseases is beyond the capacity of humans and must come solely from God.
      “I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” (Isaiah 45:5-7 KJV)
      If God is the sole source of such calamity it must be God who brought the evil upon Job. This conclusion is harmonious with the text in Job, which also affirms that God was the one who afflicted him:
      All his [Job’s] brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the LORD had brought upon him, and each one gave him a piece of silver and a gold ring. (Job 42:11)
      Nevertheless the explanation that God was the “Satan” who afflicted Job does not satisfy all the verses, because clearly God is speaking to a second party when discussing Job’s impending calamities.
      The LORD said to Satan, “Very well, then, he is in your hands; but you must spare his life.” So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD, and afflicted Job with loathsome sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head. (Job 2:6-7)
      So who is this second party to whom God is speaking? The answer is that when God acts to bring calamity (or deliverance) in scripture, it is commonly described as being performed by an angel acting under the divine directive. There is much evidence for this; here are just two examples:

      “My God sent his angel, and he shut the mouths of the lions. They have not hurt me, because I was found innocent in his sight. Nor have I ever done any wrong before you, O king.” (Daniel 6:22)

      He unleashed against them his hot anger, his wrath, indignation and hostility– a band of destroying angels. He prepared a path for his anger; he did not spare them from death but gave them over to the plague. (Psalm 78:49-50)
      Who then is the Satan sent out of God’s presence to afflict Job? The scriptural answer must be that “Satan” is an angel, obediently performing God’s decisions to allow Job to suffer affliction.

      But now we seem to have two Satans: the jealous men and the destroying angel! How are we to determine who is Satan — or are they both Satan? We account for this apparent discrepancy by realizing that the term “Satan” in Hebrew is a title given to something or someone, which is in opposition, rather than to a particular person himself. Thus the title “Satan” belongs to whoever is in opposition at that time (much like the title of “King” or “governor” therefore, it can pass from person to person through time). Consequently “Satan” is used to describe the men whilst they generate their jealous hatred of Job, and “Satan” is used to describe the angel whilst he is directed by God to act upon this jealous hatred.
      “Satan” is not the only Hebrew word that is used in this generic titular fashion. It will enhance our understanding of the use of the word “Satan” in Job to consider at least one other Hebrew word, which is used in this way.

      Generic Titles in Scripture
      Certain words in scripture are generic titles, rather than personal names. That is to say their application is not restricted to a particular personality, but is applied to a variety of different people at such times as they satisfy the criteria for the title, much like the title of an office. Two specific examples of this are the words: “Elohim” and “Satan.”
      Example 1 ELOHIM — A Title for Mighty One(s)
      “Elohim” is a Hebrew title for one who stands in great power, to rule and judge. This title is applied across the entire range of scriptural characters, from (a) God, to (b) angels, to (c) human men.

      (a) God as “Elohim”
      In the beginning God [Hebrew: ELOHIM] created the heavens and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

      (b) Angels as “Elohim”
      “What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visits’ him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels [Hebrew: ELOHIM], and hast crowned him with glory and honour.” (Psalm 8:4-5 KJV)

      (c) Human men as “Elohim”
      But if the servant declares, “I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,” then his master must take him before the judges [Hebrew: ELOHIM]. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life. (Exodus 21:5-6)

      Example 2 SATAN — A Title for an Opponent
      The title “Satan” is equally generic in scripture. It is not a personal name, and thus again its use is not limited to a single character. The title “Satan” is applied for one who stands in opposition; and it is applied, in the same way as “Elohim,” across the full spectrum of scriptural characters from a) God, to b) angels, to c) human men.
      (a) God as “Satan” (Compare these two parallel accounts)
      “Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.” (2 Samuel 24:1)
      “SATAN rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel”. (1 Chronicles 21:1)
      (b) An angel as “Satan”
      But God’s anger was kindled because he went; and the angel of the LORD took his stand in the way as his adversary [Hebrew: SATAN]. Now he was riding on the ass, and his two servants were with him. (Numbers 22:22 RSV)
      (c) A human man as “Satan”
      “Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, SATAN! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.” (Matthew 16:23)
      The Big Picture of God and “Satan” in Scripture
      To gain a deeper understanding of the real interplay in the book of Job, it is essential to analyze the broader relationship in scripture between God and the various parties who adopt the role of Satan. We find that this relationship adopts the same characteristic three-point trend, as shown below. We shall then use this model to solve the puzzling mystery of who is Satan in the book of Job.
      Trend of the relationship between God and “Satan” in the Bible:
      {1} God pronounces a truth.
      {2} Satan opposes God’s truth (“opposes” by definition) and declares a lie.
      {2b} Often this lie is an accusation against a righteous man.
      {3} God invariably rebukes Satan for his error.
      Here are example cases from which we establish this trend as scripturally valid. The first example is the classic encounter in the Garden of Eden.
      Example 1: The serpent in Eden bringing the downfall of man
      {1} Pronouncement of God’s truth:
      “And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.” (Genesis 2:16-17)
      {2} Satan opposes, speaking lies:
      “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:4-5)
      [Revelation 12:9 shows that the serpent of Eden can indeed be called Satan]
      {2b} Satan’s lies are accusations against the righteous (notice the reference to the “ancient serpent,” which shows that this is a commentary on the Eden story)
      “And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world–he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.” (Revelation 12:9-10 RSV)
      {3} Satan is rebuked by God
      “So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” (Genesis 3:14-15)
      This archetypal relationship between God and whoever is in the role of Satan is evidenced in later scriptural scenarios. Here is the evidence: notice the characteristic points of the relationships in each case.

      Example 2: Peter contradicting Christ
      {1} Pronouncement of God’s truth
      “From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life”. (Matthew 16:21)
      {2} Satan opposes, speaking untruth
      “Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!” (Matthew 16:22)
      {3} Satan is rebuked
      “Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.” (Matthew 16:23)
      Example 3: The enemies of Judah frustrating the rebuilding of the temple
      {1} Pronouncement of God’s truth
      “…the LORD moved the heart of Cyrus king of Persia to make a proclamation throughout his realm and to put it in writing: “…The LORD, the God of heaven… has appointed me to build a temple for him at Jerusalem in Judah. Anyone of his people among you–may his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem in Judah and build the temple of the LORD, the God of Israel, the God who is in Jerusalem.” (Ezra 1:1-3)
      {2} Satan opposes…
      “When the enemies of Judah and Benjamin heard that the exiles were building a temple for the LORD, the God of Israel… [they] set out to discourage the people of Judah and make them afraid to go on building”. (Ezra 4:1,4)
      {2b} …by making accusatory lies against the righteous
      At the beginning of the reign of Xerxes, they lodged an accusation against the people of Judah and Jerusalem… This is a copy of the letter they sent him… “The king should know that the Jews who came up to us from you have gone to Jerusalem and are rebuilding that rebellious and wicked city.” (Ezra 4:6,11-12)
      {3} Satan is rebuked by God for his slander upon Jerusalem. (Zechariah is commenting on the same historical events recorded in Ezra — see also Jude 1:9.)
      “Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him. The LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?” (Zechariah 3:1-3)

      Comment by Laila Rasheed — March 13, 2015 @ 4:19 pm | Reply

  4. 3 comments, 3 papists.
    Maybe every article on this blog should be extended with an explanation on how all protestants in Europe where murdered by Napoleon and Hitler, with apologies for the comments by papists.

    Don’t worry folks, hell exists.
    False accusations, as Garcia made, because the article consists of quotes rather than any claim of the author, will be punished so severely, that one would already feel pity for Garcia when reading his evil intended comment, than be angry about it. Jesus learned to pray for who persecutes you. A reason might be, because hell is a terrible place. In order to help you not to go there, the greatest horror of hell is not the atheists, but the roman catholics that lied in order to maintain their church, rather than acknowledging the truth in service to mankind.

    Comment by Bosgeus — March 16, 2013 @ 10:16 pm | Reply


    PART 2

    Reconstruction of Events in Job
    Using the model above of the three-point relationship between God and Satan in scripture, we can now identify who “Satan” is in Job. The way we achieve that is by looking for the signature characteristics of the behavior of Satan, which we have deduced in the previous section.

    We expect to find:
    {1} A pronouncement of God’s truth in the presence of Satan
    “Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.” (Job 1:8 c.f. Job 1:1)

    {2} One who opposes, speaking lies: this will be Satan
    “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied… “But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.” (Job 1:9,11)

    {2b} …whose opposition is realized as accusing the righteous with lies: this will be Satan

    “Is not your wickedness great? Are not your sins endless? You demanded security from your brothers for no reason; you stripped men of their clothing, leaving them naked.” (Job 22:6)

    “The lamp of the wicked is snuffed out; the flame of his fire stops burning… He has no offspring or descendants among his people, no survivor where once he lived.” (Job 18:5,19) [Remember Job’s family had been destroyed: Job 1:18-19.]

    “Oh, how I wish that God would speak, that he would open his lips against you and disclose to you the secrets of wisdom, for true wisdom has two sides. Know this: God has even forgotten some of your sin.” (Job 11:5-6)

    {3} One who is rebuked by God: this will be Satan

    “After the LORD had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly.” (Job 42:7-8)


    Who then is Satan in the book of Job? “Satan” in Job is those who oppose God’s opinion of righteous Job. This is the jealousies of men that contradict the truth of God that Job was an upright man, (Job 1:9-11) and which the evil men bear into God’s presence (Job 1:6; 2:1). God gives limited rein to the evil by dispatching His angel to realize the desires of the evil men (Job 1:12; 2:6).

    Specifically, “Satan” is identified as Job’s three friends: Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar. They are the ones who oppose Job, even during his suffering, who bring lying accusations against him, (Job 22:6; 18:5,19; 11:5-6), and who are rebuked by God at the end of the matter (Job 42:7-8). We have seen how opposition; lying accusations against the upright; and a subsequent rebuke from God, are telltale characteristics of the presence of Satan. Additionally, that the core of Satan’s jealousy is of Job’s wealth (Job 1:9-10) is instructive, for jealousy is an essentially human trait. It does not easily befit a Mephistophelean Superpower, posing his supernatural guile and strength in eternal battle with the Almighty, to be distressed by the fact that Job has got a lot of sheep. Jealousy of material possessions is an emotional response so preternaturally petty as to be of undoubtedly human origin: and indeed the text confirms that Satan was “from the earth” (Job 1:7). Hence we confidently conclude that it is these three men, who know Job well, with whom the evil jealousies began, and from whose evil jealousy all the disaster was initially precipitated.

    In conclusion it is appropriate to point out that God was always in control of the entire situation, which is why such evil that radiated from Satan was always limited by God’s control (Job 1:12; 2:6), and the end saw Satan condemned (Job 42:7-8), whilst upright Job was blessed (Job 42:12-17)


    Jesus said,
    “I Speak in Parables So They WON’T Understand.”

    Why Would Jesus Do that?

    “All these things spoke Jesus unto the multitude in PARABLES; and without a parable spoke He not unto them.” Matthew 13:34
    “But without a PARABLE spoke He not unto them…” Mark 4:34

    “This PARABLE spoke Jesus unto them; but they understood not what things they were which He spoke unto them.” John 10:6
    Many Christians believe that Jesus taught in parables to make His message clear, but that is not biblical. Even His disciples were in the dark and did not understand. Repeatedly, they asked Jesus to explain the parables to them.

    “And when He was alone, they that were about Him with the twelve asked of Him the parable. And He said unto them, “Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God, but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables.

    “That seeing they may see, and not perceived: and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted and their sins should be forgiven them. And He said unto them, Know ye not this parable? And how then will you know all parables?” Mark 4:10-13
    This passage tells us that Jesus didn’t want them to understand and He didn’t want to convert them and He didn’t want to save them.
    Why would Jesus do that?

    Jesus gives the answer Himself:

    “And the disciples came, and said unto Him, Why do you speak unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto YOU to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but unto them it is NOT given.” Matthew 13:10-11
    “. . . but unto them it is NOT given.”

    Jesus spoke in parables the majority of the people could NOT understand!

    Even Jesus’ own disciples had to have these parables explained to them. But He often did that by telling them – – another Parable! Why would Jesus do that?

    Because God’s plan involves calling MANY, but choosing only a FEW — at least in this eon.

    “(The) MANY (meaning — ALL) are called, but FEW are chosen.” Matthew 22:14

    Jesus said, “You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you.” John 15:16

    The shocking truth is that Jesus hid the meaning of His teachings from the masses.

    The word Parable (Parabole in Greek: #3850 in Strong’s Concordance) means a similitude or (symbolically) fictitious narrative that conveyed a moral truth. The word Proverb (Paroimia in Greek: #3942 in Strong’s Concordance) means essentially the same thing — a fictitious illustration.
    But even the disciples often did not understand. Jesus taught His own disciples in private and told them:

    “These things have I spoken unto you in PROVERBS: but the time comes when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall show you PLAINLY of the Father.” John 16:25

    By Jesus’ own admission, He didn’t teach or speak to even His own apostles “plainly.” But He promised that the time would come when He would no longer speak in proverbs but would speak plainly.

    “And when He was alone, they that were about Him with the twelve asked of Him the parable.” Mark 4:10

    The people did not understand Jesus’ parables; the Scribes and Pharisees did not understand Jesus’ parables — except on one occasion they “perceived” He was speaking of them — and not even the Apostles understood Jesus’ parables.

    And when Jesus explained the parables to the Apostles at their request, He often explained them with – – another Parable!
    Over and over, the Apostles did not understand.

    “And He (Jesus) said unto them (His disciples), How is it that ye do NOT understand?” Mark 8:21

    “But they understood NOT that saying, and were afraid to ask him.” Mark 9:32

    Jesus said unto His disciples:
    “Let these sayings sink down into your ears. . . But they understood NOT this saying, and it was HID from them, and they perceived it NOT; and they feared to ask Him of that saying.” Luke 9:44, 45

    These things understood NOT His disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified (after His resurrection) then they remembered that these things were written of Him. . .” John 12:16

    Jesus taught His disciples for three and one half years. They heard Him preach and teach hundreds of times, yet they did not understand.
    “Then He took unto Him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold we go up to Jerusalem, and ALL THINGS that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. . . and they understood NONE of these things: and this saying was HID from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.” Luke 18:31-34

    The disciples understood NOTHING concerning the life, ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus.

    But at the last meeting Jesus had with His apostles after His resurrection, we read:

    “And He said unto them, These are the words which I spoke unto you while I was yet with you (the things they never understood) that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning Me (meaning Old Testament Scriptures). THEN, He opened their understanding, that they might understand the Scriptures.” Luke 24:44-45

    Why did Jesus finally open the eyes and minds of the disciples so they could understand?

    “And the disciples came, and said unto Him, WHY do you speak unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto YOU to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven (but not at that specific time, but eventually — after His resurrection) but to them it is NOT given.

    “For whosoever has, to him shall be given (more), and he shall have more abundance; but whosoever has not, from him shall be taken away even what he has. Therefore, I speak to them in parables: because they seeing, see not; and hearing, they hear not, neither do they understand.
    “And in them (and in all future generations down through the centuries, except for a very small chosen few) is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which says, By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand, and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive:

    “For this people’s heart (those in Isaiah’s day, those in Christ’s day, and through the generation into our day) is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should HEAL (SAVE) them.” Matthew 13:10-15

    There could be no more precise description of the Christendom of today!

    “The people draw near unto Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips: but their Heart is FAR from Me. But in vain (futility) they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” Matthew 15:8-9

    But to the chosen FEW, Jesus said:
    “But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men (all the Patriarchs of the Old Testament) have desired to see those things which you see, and have NOT seen them, and to hear those things which you hear, and have NOT heard them.” Matthew 13:16-17

    Comment by Laila Rasheed — March 13, 2015 @ 4:24 pm | Reply

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